Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 1, 2010 #7041 of 10484
    richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a big proponent of external hard drives, but for anyone in the market this is a fairly good deal on the "TiVo approved" 1TB Western Digital My DVR Expander - $89.95 w/free shipping from a reputable e-tailer:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...2&AID=10659349&PID=552179&is=REG&A=details&Q=

    Works with all hi-def TiVo's. (Although it looks like it's being replaced with the newer 1TB Western Digital My Book AV DVR Expander.)

    NOTE: This will not work via plug and play with TiVo's that have an upgraded hard drive.
     
  2. Dec 1, 2010 #7042 of 10484
    BrightestBear

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    OK, that 2 TB replacement hard drive that was stuck in an endless powering up cycle a few days ago? I popped the top of the TiVo, unplugged and reconnected the wire to the hard drive, and voila. It's working beautifully! I mean, a Comcast fella had to come out because they couldn't get the cable card re-paired over the phone. But now I've got the new drive loaded up with Season Passes galore -- all set to "save until I delete." Let the recording commence!
     
  3. Dec 1, 2010 #7043 of 10484
    richsadams

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    Sweet! :up: Enjoy!
     
  4. Dec 2, 2010 #7044 of 10484
    tcfcameron

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    What software version was on the original 160GB drive?

    It's my understanding, some have reported, that they had to allow their un-updated (pulled, in a "virgin", never booted and/or updated state) drives to boot and update before the jmfs tools would work for the THD.
     
  5. Dec 2, 2010 #7045 of 10484
    wtherrell

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    I have a THD with 1 Tb upgrade to WD Green Caviar. About a year ago I did the WMFS upgrade myself. Not sure I want to tackle again as I am now getting the SO3 error. Also the HDMI connector is apparently bad. BUT! It has Lifetime service on it! Also, I have saved the original drive that came with the THD--there was nothing wrong with it, just wanted more space.

    I'm thinking of either sending to weaknees for repair or buying new Premiere XL with LTS and selling the THD.
    I've done the math and repair is around $250 cheaper than getting the new XL with LTS.
    When (if) I get the new box can I somehow transfer the recordings on the old box to the new? The only thing I know I can transfer is Season Passes thru Tivo website. Or I guess I could just hook both boxes to TV and watch the recordings on the old one until thru with them. Also, I think I can print out the To Do List from Tivo.com. Easiest way to transfer wishlist? I'm thinking photographing screens and setting up again on new box.
    Any suggestions to help me decide?
     
  6. Dec 2, 2010 #7046 of 10484
    wireless200

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    Just upgraded my series 3 HD to 1 TB. No problems. Wish I'd done it a long time ago.
     
  7. Dec 2, 2010 #7047 of 10484
    BrightestBear

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    Yep, I'm feeling the same way about my upgrade! Why did I wait so long?
     
  8. Dec 2, 2010 #7048 of 10484
    Robbdoe1

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    I would look into getting a unit off Craigslist, Ebay or a new one from Block Buster for $99. Take your MOBO out and put it in the new unit. Then I would upgrade the drive myself again. For $150 you can have a new unit with Lifetime and a new 1TB drive.

    As for the shows, does the unit boot up? Can you transfer the shows to a PC via Tivo desktop? You could use Winmfs and do a full copy but if the image is corrupted you take the chance of transferring that to the new unit.

    Your in good shape with the original drive and all. You could slip it back in and see if that clears the error. Either way you have a good image on the original drive or the drive from the one you would buy.

    Just some random thoughts.

    Robb
     
  9. Dec 2, 2010 #7049 of 10484
    wisny

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    Hey, I know I've seen you guys discuss this before, but I can't remember, and can't find :confused: the brand names y'all recommend for external harddrives for a PC?

    I am going to try transferring whatever shows I can via TiVo desktop but my very old external storage is only 100gb. Any recommendations?

    It' Windows XP Media Center pc.
     
  10. Dec 2, 2010 #7050 of 10484
    ThAbtO

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    You can use any external drive for a PC to do external storage for transferring recordings. This thread is about expanding/replacing the internal drive and which drives work in the Tivo.
     
  11. Dec 2, 2010 #7051 of 10484
    wisny

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    Sorry, yes, I did know it's about tivo expansions. I've just heard Robb and Rich talking about drive brands they liked. Used to be Seagate, then it wasn't, then I think it was again? One brand was unreliable - maybe WDs? I was hoping one of them might be online and could say which external PC drives they considered reliable now.


    eta: I made a new thread in General chit chat. Apologies!
     
  12. Dec 2, 2010 #7052 of 10484
    richsadams

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    A little OT, but relevant since you're using it to back up TiVo files ;). If I were to buy an external drive for backups right now it would be this Fantom 2TB drive:

    http://www.buy.com/prod/fantom-gree...al-hard-drive-2-year/q/loc/101/212752646.html

    They use Western Digital's GP "green" drives which run quiet and cool and Fantom's have a two-year warranty (while most have only one). Fantom has a good reputation (as does Buy.com) and for about $90 w/free shipping it's very hard to beat. :up:

    If you've survived this long with a 100GB back-up drive, the Fantom may be the last one you'll ever need! :)
     
  13. Dec 2, 2010 #7053 of 10484
    wisny

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    ty! ahhh, yes, I'm very sloppy about backing up :(. After losing a laptop hd last year, you'd THINK I'd have learnt my lesson :eek: but no. The only backup drive I have is the old Maxtor 100gb :eek:.

    I did buy the WD Elements for $89.99 from NewEgg , so now two desktops will have backup drives. There's still another that needs one. Maybe I will put this one on my Christmas list :up:. Ehrm, and that laptop really prolly needs one too :eek:

    Thankyou again!!
     
  14. Dec 3, 2010 #7054 of 10484
    Flyinace2000

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    I have a TivoHD and was thinking of doing the upgrade. There is a 1TB drive onsale at Amazon for $45. Would it be a good replacment?

    Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 32MB Cache 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive ST31000528AS-Bare Drive

    The TivoHD can only use up to 1TB correct?
     
  15. Dec 3, 2010 #7055 of 10484
    retiredqwest

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    NO you can use a 2TB drive and get 318 hrs.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=455968
     
  16. Dec 3, 2010 #7056 of 10484
    richsadams

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    AFAIK no one has tried that particular drive to upgrade their TiVo so it's a bit unproven. As far as the drive itself there's no advantage to the 7200RPM speed or the 32MB of cache.. My immediate concern (as with all Seagate Barracuda drives) is the noise level. According to the drive specs the seek acoustics can be as much as 3.0 bels and manufacturers are notorious for under-statement when it comes to noise. By comparison stock TiVo drives are around 2.5 to 2.7 bels. The recommended upgrade drives (Hitachi and WD AV/GP drives) are around 2.4 bels. The auto acoustic management (AAM) cannot be adjusted on Seagate drives so it's possible you'd be stuck with a noisy drive depending on your sensitivity, where your TiVo is located, etc. But hey, that's a pretty good price! If you go forward with that particular drive let us know how it goes.

    With respect to using drives larger than 1TB, refer to Section V, #17 of the FAQ (first post on this thread) and see my earlier post about the full 2TB upgrade retiredqwest refers to:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8259721#post8259721

    Happy upgrading!
     
  17. Dec 3, 2010 #7057 of 10484
    rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    WD 1.5T BF drive came today....

    Upgrade was a bit more interesting than the 1T in the TivoHD. I unmarried the eSata drive, backed up the original S3 WD250 with WinMFS and restored it over to the new 1.5T WD. My first attempt to boot got stuck on welcome powering up.... So I started from scratch.

    The drive was dated Mar 2010, so I needed to run WDidle3 to disable Intellipark. Well, my primary desktop PC refused to boot off the burned CD, so i found an old klunker in the basement... problem is it does not have any sata connections for the new WD drive. So I had to open up my primary PC and pull a PCI eSata card, put it into the klunker PC and boot/run WDidle3 from this... and of course put it back into my primary PC. so yeah, kinda of a mild adventure in hardware shuffle just to be able to run WDidle and disable the intellipark. I vote for adding this to winMFS (if possible) :)

    Next, since my first Tivo boot attempt failed I decided to backup the 250 and restore to the new 1.5 WD again, just to make sure I didn't miss a step. I also tried to run the Acoustic Mgmt software but it failed to see the WD attached to a eSata Dock on my primary Desktop, no matter the S3 sits in an equipment rack outside the HT, so I have no specific need for a silent drive.

    OK, after all this, I now am up and running with 212 hrs of HD capacity on the S3. I even did a soft reboot via the menu to test it for issues. No more eSata drive. No more bumping the eSata cable and restarting the S3. :)

    Thanks to the contributors of this thread for sharing the knowledge to expand and maintain our Tivos.
     
  18. Dec 3, 2010 #7058 of 10484
    SteveG

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    The original drive had already updated to version 11.0j, so this doesn't disprove that indicated issue.
     
  19. Dec 4, 2010 #7059 of 10484
    richsadams

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    Very resourceful and well done! :up: Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  20. Dec 4, 2010 #7060 of 10484
    bkrodgers

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    Well, I'm thrilled to be able to report my successful upgrade to 2TB on my TivoHD!!!!! I ended up using a combination of Comer's JMFS tool for the Premiere, WinMFS, WDIDLE, and HDDScan. There were a couple of bumps in the road, but this absolutely works.

    First, the goods. I picked up a WD20EARS on Amazon for $85. The manufacture date was 10/15/2010. I started out by running the extended test on it -- no problems. I was upgrading a THD that had never been upgraded before (I had been using it on an SD TV until recently, so the stock drive was good enough).

    I started out by using JMFS to copy and expand the drive. I didn't try the supersize option at this point. I then used HDDScan to set AAM. I didn't do WDIDLE yet, to see if it was needed. I put the drive back in and powered up, and all was great -- I got the ~280 hours expected without supersize (can't remember the exact number right now). Did a soft reboot, and yes, it hung.

    Popped the drive back in to do WDIDLE and supersize. WDIDLE had a hickup on my machine, because the SATA ports were in RAID mode (even though no RAID array was setup on the port I was using). JMFS was fine with it, but WDIDLE couldn't see the drive. Luckily my motherboard has an additional SATA port on a totally different controller, so I didn't have to turn RAID mode off (didn't want to do that unless necessary, as I feared my RAID arrays would need to be rebuilt). All good on the new port. The 10/15 manufactured drive did have intellipark turned on, so I turned it off with wdidle3 /D. I also used JMFS to supersize. Put things back in, and got a reboot loop. Uh oh. Wasn't too worried though, as I'd heard already that JMFS's supersize option didn't seem to work with THDs. I just wanted to try it out for the data point.

    Drive back in the computer, used WinMFS to supersize. Drive back in the THD, and it booted up with no problems! I did not need to start over. Did a soft reboot, and it came up fine too. I'm now at 317 HD hours as expected, and I'm thrilled.

    Here's what I'd recommend for anyone who wants to do this. Keep in mind this is THD only -- S3 doesn't work for JMFS:
    1. Buy and test a WD20EARS
    2. Use the WDIDLE boot CD and disable Intellipark (WDIDLE3 /D) (This may not really be needed depending on how your drive is set, but be prepared to do it.)
    3. Use HDDScan to set AAM
    4. Use Comer's JMFS disk to copy and expand, but do NOT supersize
    5. Use WinMFS to supersize
    6. You're done! Enjoy your 317 HD hours!

    I think it may be time to revise the FAQ. I think we now do have a reliable DIY method to expand a THD to 2TB.

    I can't thank everyone here enough, especially Rich for all his advice and Comer for his great JMFS tool. I'm just giddy as I'm setting my season passes to 25 episodes in HD!!!!

    -Brian
     

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