Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 15, 2007 #601 of 10473
    Aiken

    Aiken Blah, blah, blah.

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    Well, since KS codes were pre-eSATA, I actually figured they could hurt, perhaps by permanently returning the drive to a totally-unmarried state, so I've been waiting until I couldn't see any other option and then I tried KS 57.

    What do you know... it worked!

    Could have knocked me over with a feather when the darn thing booted up correctly.

    I wish I knew what it fixed. I'm sort of wondering if the OS marking the filesystem bad fails to start up a GSOD automatically when you have external storage attached, and instead pops up the wrong-storage error screen. That could happen if they're checking for filesystem issues in the wrong order, e.g. "Is it married right? If not, then pop up an error. Otherwise, is the filesystem clean? If not, pop up a GSOD and check it." Since it probably can't marry a dirty fs, it would bail at the first question.
     
  2. Dec 16, 2007 #602 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Ha, that is interesting.

    I am also surprised that KS57 cured the ill based on the problems that you described. That tells me that it was almost certainly some sort of data corruption that TiVo was able to resolve (might have been on either drive). Your theory as to why it happened in the first place is as good as any I can think of. ;)

    So you really are a pioneer on two counts...the first to have the problem, and the first to get if fixed! Congrats! :up:
     
  3. Dec 16, 2007 #603 of 10473
    MikeMacMan

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    My Tivo 3 still restarts and I think it's from EMI issues. About once a week (guesstimate) it will restart when I turn on my TV + Receiver. I have a receiver, center channel speaker, sub and right channel speaker all ~1-2 feet from my Tivo 3. Due to room and cabinet size I'm not sure how I can move the S3 away from them. Is there such a thing as a "shieled" eSata cable or a way to shield the eSata cable from EMI? (I was thinking maybe wrap it in tin foil?) I am using the suggested .5m Tripp-Lite P950 eSata cable to hook up my MX-1 with 1TB Hitachi drive. I did some googling and all "shielded" cables look like normal eSata cables. This has been an issue since the end of July when I added the external drive.

    Originally I thought this might have to do with HDMI issues with my TV (60" Sony KDS-60A2000). I have switched to Component cables and this has not helped.

    Thanks for all the great information on this forum!
     
  4. Dec 16, 2007 #604 of 10473
    Clentz

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    My guess is that it is more likely a power bump caused my turning everything on at the same time. Try using diferent power connections (To the wall) My room had two duplex outlets and I ran two additional twenty amp circuits all the way to the load center.

    Carl
     
  5. Dec 16, 2007 #605 of 10473
    donaudio

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    Antec MX-1 on sale now from CC. $40
     
  6. Dec 17, 2007 #606 of 10473
    keenanSR

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    Thanks, that's where I got my last 2 and I needed 1 more, probably get 2.
     
  7. Dec 17, 2007 #607 of 10473
    leeherman

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    I've documented elsewhere in this thread my problems with an unsupported eSATA drive for my S3.

    I called Tivo today about other problems and mentioned the eSATA problem. The tech seemed pretty confident the WD DVR expander would work, so I took the plunge and ordered it from Best Buy for in store pick up.

    I figure I'll try it. Worst case scenario is I return it if it behaves the same way as my Antec box/SIIG cable/WD drive solution did. Best case is that it works and I don't have to off-load programs to my Tivo server, which is one of the reasons I called Tivo...incomplete transfers back to my S3 and "jumping and skipping" when they do make it back OK.

    I also called regarding my S3's CC2 constantly dropping out.

    Wish me luck! I hope the DVR Expander works!

    LH
     
  8. Dec 17, 2007 #608 of 10473
    naclone

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    okay, so i am moving at the end of the month. anything i should keep in mind when moving my TiVo and eSATA drive? So long as I unplug the TiVo first, I can disconnect the two for the move, reconnect them and then plug in the TiVo again, and everything should be fine, right?
     
  9. Dec 17, 2007 #609 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Yep, just unplug TiVo first, disconnect everything and box it all up nice and safe. Then when you're back on solid ground connect the eSATA back up to TiVo, plug it in, turn it on and then plug TiVo in and Bob's your uncle. (No, I have no idea what that means other than everything is good :rolleyes:.)
     
  10. Dec 18, 2007 #610 of 10473
    c3

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    Earlier today buy.com had it for $46.26 - $20 rebate. It's now $49.99 - $20 rebate but out of stock, but you can still order it. The rebate expires on 12/30.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2007 #611 of 10473
    gspoto

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    All,
    I saw on Buy.com that there is a Cavalry 1TB eSATA HD (complete with bridge and cable) for $230.

    Does anybody have any info on this drive? Woudl this be a good candidate for to marry to my TiVoHD?

    Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
    Greg
     
  12. Dec 18, 2007 #612 of 10473
    BigHat

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    Just got the WD Tivo Extender (500 GB). Well it couldn't be easier to install...except it doesn't work. I have a new S3 with the latest software. Got it with a Weaknees drive of 500GB so showing 70 hours HD initially.

    Hooked it up properly, with things powered down that needed to be etc. On restart I got the message about the external storage device. Followed all the steps, the external device appears on the Systems Info page, but no added capacity shown. Still 70HD and 663 SD.

    When I check Remote and Device settings under external storage I get the "not setup message." I go through the "Yes, set up this device", it reboots but doesn't appear.

    Any suggestions?

    Edit: Sorry just read this doesn't work with an upgraded drive. Dummy !!! Well, I'll try to use with my std S3 in the bedroom.

    AND it works just fine in there. Oh well.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2007 #613 of 10473
    leeherman

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    As I posted yesterday, I bought the WD "Tivo supported" eSATA drive after having problems with a WD drive in two cases including the Antec MX-1 and two cables including the SIIG.

    I'm happy to report that the drive seems to be working fine. I really had my doubts after failing twice with unsupported solutions, but so far so good.

    I guess I'll be keeping two eSATA/USB cases as spares and the 500 gbyte WD drive originally purchased for my S3 will go into my primary desktop PC.

    Thanks to all for your knowledge about all things Tivo!

    Happy holidays!

    LH
     
  14. Dec 19, 2007 #614 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Cavalry's 750GB drives had many problems early on and were never a recommended expansion drive. (More here - see #36).

    AFAIK no one's tried this latest drive, but I'd be wary based on their history, plus if their new drive doesn't have a fan-cooled enclosure that might be a problem too.
     
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  16. Dec 19, 2007 #616 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately not as a plug and play expansion device for TiVo Series3's or TiVo HD's. (Discussed at length earlier.) It's been tried several times and apparently due to an issue with the three-way bridge (USB/Firewire/eSATA) TiVo will not recognize it.

    If you're talking about removing the drive from the enclosure and installing it as an internal drive in your TiVo Series3 it would be dicey at best. There are a number of reports of the OEM drive (the version inside the WD My Book enclosure) not working as an internal drive on the S3 but IIRC there was one person that said it was successful. You're certainly welcome to give it a try and report back.

    If youÂ’re looking for an easy P&P expansion drive your best bet is to read through the very first post on this thread if you want to add anything besides the TiVo "approved device". There are recommendations as well as cautions and warnings (including about that drive as well).
     
  17. Dec 19, 2007 #617 of 10473
    gspoto

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    Good info. I'll avoid.
    Thanks Rich!
     
  18. Dec 20, 2007 #618 of 10473
    c3

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    That drive has the WD OEM 1TB drive (3-year warranty) inside. Very good price at $230, but it has gone back up to $318.
     
  19. Dec 21, 2007 #619 of 10473
    Aiken

    Aiken Blah, blah, blah.

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    And now it's hosed again and KS 57 is refusing to do anything. No GSOD, just straight to the wrong external storage screen. KS 58 says it's installing a service update (!) and then, after about ten seconds, also goes to the wrong external storage screen. KS 52 goes straight to the wrong external storage screen as well, which is not surprising since it probably needs a valid filesystem.

    I wonder if I have a service update waiting to install, and that's pre-empting the GSOD.

    It's definitely the "My DVR Expander" drive that's hosed, by the way. With it attached, it takes from three to seven minutes to boot to the point of even entering KS 57. With it detached, it consistently takes about a minute to get there. (Even when detached, KS 57 still doesnt work, by the way.)

    Alas, I didn't yet have a replacement drive, which is where I was going to move everything before trashing the "My DVR Expander" for good, and so now I think I get to lose the last six weeks' worth of recordings, plus some older ones I had moved over from other units. Rrr. Sigh.

    I don't suppose I could boot these in a PC linux environment and run a mfs check/cleanup there, could I? I don't know what's involved in a TiVo eSATA marriage and whether it can be duplicated outside of the TiVo OS.

    Heck, if I could just boot into linux and just copy the combined filesystem to another drive entirely, that's basically what I want to do at this point. I'm done with eSATA.
     
  20. Dec 22, 2007 #620 of 10473
    simontiki

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    I just dropped a Hitachi 1TB drive into an Antec MX-1. I plugged it into the eSATA port of my HD TiVo. When I go to "Remote & Device Settings -> External Storage, I get a message saying..."This device may not be set up. For more information on external storage solutions, visit www.tivo.com/expand." I guess my question is...do I need to format this drive or do something else before attaching it to tivo?

    Thanks.
     

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