Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 9, 2007 #581 of 10473
    stretch35

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    any diff laying the official dvr on it's side for better cooling..definely seems to vibrate more than the 1terabyte my book wd that costco has (it was useless for expansion)..also no light on led panel..normal..included cable has same length as siig esata. and is labeled sata II fyi
     
  2. Dec 9, 2007 #582 of 10473
    ashu

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    Whoa!
    Am I glad I didn't give in to the UMF to grab a 1TB My Book Western Digital at Costco this evening! :)

    Confirmed not to work because of a Bridge SATA chipset, eh? Shame! I figured $279.99 was a nice price for a 1TB expansion solution!

    Well, the Green 1TB drive is $249.99 ($20 off with an emailed code), shipped free from Newegg.com again, and I plan to order a known-working enclosure with it (excellent FAQ & follow-up discussion folks!)
     
  3. Dec 10, 2007 #583 of 10473
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Your bad experience notwithstanding, others have successfully used the adapters and it is pretty much the only way if one is limited to a laptop PC computer.
     
  4. Dec 10, 2007 #584 of 10473
    richsadams

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    When you say "laying the official dvr on its side for better cooling" I'm assuming you mean the expansion drive (eSATA HDD) and not TiVo (the DVR) itself. ;)

    There shouldn't be any performance issues based on how the enclosure is positioned. Generally speaking the more air flow around the unit, the cooler it will run. With regard to vibration/noise you might want to look into insulating it by placing it on a pad of some sort. I've found a thick mouse pad works well.

    Of course you should avoid laying the unit on another component (TiVo, amp, etc.). It's best to have the drive clear of any other electronic device, on its own shelf with plenty of ventilation around it if possible.
     
  5. Dec 10, 2007 #585 of 10473
    gspoto

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    Sorry for the delay in getting back to your reply to my post.
    Summary: I want to add either 500 GB of storage (or potentially 1TB) and not have to pay a premium price or wait in order to do so.
    But I am fearful of tinkering with the insides of my TiVo HD. I am comfortable doing just about anything else.
    My thoughts, (perhaps outdated and DOS/Windows based not LINUX), is that hacking a drive to work with the TiVo HD shouldn't be that hard. The understanding I have (based of the generous replies to my first posts) is that for TiVo HD units there is a set group of drives that the TiVo HD will recognize as "approved" for use as an external drive. And then one a drive is determined to be approved, the TiVo will do the prep work needed to make the drive useable.
    So my thought on "imaging" a drive is that if a 500GB or 1TB drive were to be already "prepped" but contain no other data(well call this drive 'A'), that it should be a simple matter to take an image of that drive onto a new clean drive(we'll call it drive "B"), and now drive B is essentially ready to go in place of Drive A. In this way no one needs to crack open a TiVo, they can just download a drive image onto a clean drive and your new external storage is ready to go.

    I'm hoping I am conveying my idea properly. I suspect that this isn't possible since smarter people then me are working these things. But I am still curious as to why this wouldn't work.

    Thanks for the time and I appreciate your feedback.
    Spoto
     
  6. Dec 10, 2007 #586 of 10473
    Burt Spielman

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    OK, that makes sense. Maybe the FAQ ought to cite some data on expected copy times using different equipment, based on others' reported experiences.
     
  7. Dec 10, 2007 #587 of 10473
    PSXBatou

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    I just installed the My DVR on to my TivoHD, its great having more space :)

    I bought mine from Best Buy for $219, a bit steep but considering its the only thing that works I really didn't have a whole lot of choices.

    Is the ring of light supposed to be static? On the few My Books that I have the ring spins when activity is happening.
     
  8. Dec 10, 2007 #588 of 10473
    richsadams

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    IIRC the only time the indicator light is operable on WD My Book type products like the DVR Expander is with UBS connections.

    Enjoy the new space! :)
     
  9. Dec 10, 2007 #589 of 10473
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    It seems like you are thinking too hard about all this. The marrying or "prepping" of an external drive is such a simple operation (even when one needs to use an external program (WinMFS/MFSLive) in the case of unsupported drive/enclosure combinations that it is not clear what your proposed method buys you.

    Anyway, each marriage is unique so you can't have a generic married drive that is then copied to other external drives for other systems as you could with a pre-configured internal upgrade drive. At least that is what it sounds like you are proposing. In your case, you have to accept the official TiVo supported external solution or be willing to open the TiVo box.
     
  10. Dec 11, 2007 #590 of 10473
    richsadams

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    Welcome back! :) In addition to what jlib has offered I'll throw my two cents in to address your post. If I’m reading it correctly, what you’re suggesting is a nice thought, but unfortunately not something that will work.

    It appears that you're confused as to how TiVo recognizes an expansion drive. The approved expansion drive is recognized by TiVo via the drive model number. Stock TiVo HD's are restricted by design to use only the approved expansion drive (sold exclusively by TiVo and Best Buy). So there is nothing to "prep" as there isn't an "image".

    Every time an external drive is added to a TiVo HD or Series3 the drive is formatted by TiVo; any content is removed.

    If you're comfortable "doing just about anything else" you shouldn't be fearful of tinkering with your TiVo. It's as basic a computer as there is. As jlib mentioned, opening it up and upgrading the hard drive is quite simple if you're comfortable connecting the OEM drive and a new drive to your P.C. and running a single program with a few steps and putting the new drive back in. That is the fastest and easiest way to upgrade to as much as 1TB of space. With a few more steps you can have 2+TB of hard drive space by upgrading the internal hard drive and adding an expansion drive.

    Hope that helps.
     
  11. Dec 11, 2007 #591 of 10473
    titsataki

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    My "official TIVO" DVR expander came yesterday. I installed it with no issues. I now have 89 HD hrs. I will probably look for a decent price for the WD Green drive to do the internal within the next month or two.

    Cheers

    Nick
     
  12. Dec 12, 2007 #592 of 10473
    dirkhh

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    I bought a Seagate FreeAgent 750GB at Costco the other day and had a terrible time to get it to work with my TiVoHD. I used MFSlive to link the internal and external drive without a problem, but the TiVo simply wouldn't recognize it. Went through different cables, tried all the suggestions here.

    At the end it turns out that the TiVo can't deal with the stupid power saving feature of the FreeAgent. I physically cracked open the case, put the drive in an el-cheapo enclosure and now it works beautifully.

    More details on connecting the Free Agent to the TiVoHD.
     
  13. Dec 12, 2007 #593 of 10473
    richsadams

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    The FAP has gotten very mixed results and consequently has never been recommended for TiVo.

    But glad you were able to get yours working!
     
  14. Dec 12, 2007 #594 of 10473
    lrhorer

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    Don't tell that to my 1T internal drive TiVo from Weaknees which was married to a 1T Hitachi in an Antec MX-1 housing back in June using the MFSLive CD, or it may decide to quit working.

    I think maybe you have it backwards. That, or esle something else is going on here which I do not understand. Below are copied the first two lines of the boot CD which I used to marry the two on my e-machines T5216 PC:

    Release Note:
    MFSLive Release v1.2 06-01-2007

    That's fine. I just wanted to make certain you and others who may read this thread have a firm plan in mind before they start.

    OK, you are differentiating between a "backup" and "mfscopy". That's fine, but in my post I was not making this distinction. If all you arre backing up is the running partitions, then as you say the USB - SATA adapter is a reasonable solution. If you are backing up the entire hard drive, wether to an alternate recovery media, a new hard drive, or both, the USB solution probably isn't going to cut it unless you only have a very small amount of video on the TiVo.

    Satisfactory or not is a highly subjective individual assessment which will vary a great deal depending on how much video is present and how soon the user wants the TiVo operational again. Two days may be both required and acceptable for some users. Two hours may be too long or more than is needed for others.


    I think someone needs to double-check this. I'm not because I don't have any TiVos to upgrade at the moment and probably won't in the near future - at least not prior to one or two software development cycles. I assure you I married a 1T Hitachi to a 1T Weaknees TiVo. Given the internal drive is 1T, it has to have been expanded, although I did not do it myself.
     
  15. Dec 12, 2007 #595 of 10473
    jlib

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    You simply added a 1TB external drive to your 1TB internal drive. He is adding an external drive and at the same time upgrading his non-stock 750GB internal drive to a 1TB drive. I think the issue is the expanding not the marrying.
     
  16. Dec 13, 2007 #596 of 10473
    Burt Spielman

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    All I'm doing is relating what Spike related to me. Here's a link to the applicable thread on the Mfslive forum.
     
  17. Dec 13, 2007 #597 of 10473
    Burt Spielman

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    Madison,...
    I believe you're right. Except, of course, that I'm not doing anything at the moment. I'm waiting for a PCI SATA controller and SATA cables to arrive and I'm identifying a fast(er) PC I can borrow to do the deed.
     
  18. Dec 14, 2007 #598 of 10473
    lrhorer

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    Yeah, you may be right.
     
  19. Dec 15, 2007 #599 of 10473
    Aiken

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    richsadams

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    Welcome to the Pioneer's Club because AFAIK that's a first. Sorry you had to be the one to experience it. :(

    Your other error, "this program could not record because there was no signal" indicates that there may be a software/data corruption issue. Unfortunately based on your other post I think you've done everything possible to correct the problem.

    Keeping the drive attached you could try TiVo's diagnostic's called "Kickstarts" (try KS57 and KS58) to remedy the situation, however I don't hold out much hope for that, but it can't hurt.

    You may end up having to divorce the drive and remarry it. Unfortunately like the warning says, you'll likely lose all of the recordings made since the drive was connected.

    If you do that, the best bet would be to disconnect the eSATA drive completely, divorce it (following the screen directions) and boot up TiVo without it to ensure it is running properly (the "no signal" error is a red flag). If everything is okay, re-marry the eSATA drive to see if there are any more problems.
     

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