Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 4, 2010 #4881 of 10408
    richsadams

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    AFAIK no WD My Book eSATA drive is compatible with TiVo. In other words, they just don't work (something to do with the My Book enclosure/bridge, etc.) This statement in the FAQ is still correct:

    As bkdtv mentioned, If you have a TiVo HD you would need to open it up, pull the internal hard drive and marry any eSATA drive but a WD My DVR Expander for it to work.

    If you don't want to use a My DVR Expander the common practice is to simply replace the internal hard drive since you have to open it up, pull the drive and connect it to a computer anyway. Put the original drive on the shelf as a backup and you're in business.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  2. Feb 4, 2010 #4882 of 10408
    SAH2

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    I just took the cover off of my S3 and the inside does not look like the pictures in the first post (I realize now that is a TVHD, not an S3)

    I have 2 black cables that run across the top of the drive and are somewhat attached with a white clip on the side of the drive.

    Does anyone have instructions with photos on how to remove this drive without damaging the black wires and what I need to put on the new drive to hold the wires?

    Thanks
     
  3. Feb 4, 2010 #4883 of 10408
    fljoe

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    If you look at the Weaknees website, they do have excellent "how-to" on upgrading your internal drive with pictures that is relevant to TivoHD. I am not posting the link here as I do not know whether forum rules allow us to do that.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2010 #4884 of 10408
    SAH2

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    Thanks - those are just what I needed. The black wires had me concerned.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2010 #4885 of 10408
    Tu13es

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    Thanks for the clarification. Just my luck to hear that about the MyBooks.

    I'm still a little confused by this section, though:

    That doesn't mention anything about opening the TiVo. Am I missing something?
     
  6. Feb 4, 2010 #4886 of 10408
    richsadams

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    The FAQ is referencing the the original TiVo Hi-def DVR known here as the Series3. "Unmodified" means that the unit has the original hard drive. The TiVo HD is the more recent model and the TiVo HDXL the newest (until the TiVo Premiere hits the streets). Although all three are part of TiVo's "Series3" line of DVR's, they are distinguished on the forum separately to avoid confusion. BTW the original Series3 is no longer sold by TiVo but can still be found on ebay and a few other places now and then. Here are the different models:

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    TiVo Series3 (TCD648250B - the "original" HD TiVo)

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    TiVo HD (TCD652160)

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    TiVo HDXL (TCD658000)

    The differences between the three models can be found on these two threads:

    TiVo Series3 : http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315791

    TiVo HD/HDXL: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=419994

    That said, the original Series3 will in fact accept a number of eSATA drives or DIY eSATA drives via plug and play (but NOT the WD My Book line however). This is because some early eSATA adopters (including yours truly) found a way to connect them using a leaked software hack called Kickstart 62 (which no longer works) months before TiVo added the feature. Rather than brick all of the Series3's that already had an eSATA drive attached TiVo saw their way clear to allow them to continue to work while restricting the TiVo HD to the My DVR Expander. So if you have an original and unmodified TiVo Series3 you can still connect an "unapproved" eSATA drive via plug and play. There is a warning screen that pops up, but it allows you to continue the install by acknowledging the fact that you're connecting an unsupported external drive.

    BTW, it's things like that and TiVo turning a blind eye to our upgrades that cause me to cut TiVo a little slack when things don't go exactly as planned sometimes. They aren't perfect, but they certainly could be a lot less user-friendly if they wanted to be.

    Phew! Hope that helps!
     
  7. Feb 4, 2010 #4887 of 10408
    ADG

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    Oh, I'm not so sure. When I called Tivo tech support earlier this week I eventually convinced the first line support lady to connect me with 2nd tier. As soon as he heard I'd done a drive upgrade he said he could not provide any additional support. I happen to have a second s3 so we were able to talk about "that one" (as it were).

    Then I had to call again yesterday morning. They refused to put me through to second tier even though I'd already been speaking with them the day before. They could not find a case number, so I had to stay with tier one. Nothing I said would convince him to let me speak with a real tech. Had to hang up eventually. Sorry, that's just not what I consider customer friendly. Not when I spent approx $800 each for two S3's + lifetime service on each (plus a now unused S2).
     
  8. Feb 4, 2010 #4888 of 10408
    bmal1

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    So are you saying the bootdisk doesn't have a config.sys? Because I was under the impression that is what I was editing when I made the FreeDos boot cd.

    I thought a bootdisk had to have a config.sys to load drivers into memory.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2010 #4889 of 10408
    richsadams

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    I should have added "YMMV" Although they can figure it out by looking at their logs, telling them that you upgraded closes the conversation of course and IMHO should. Otherwise they'd be dealing with all manner of problems that might not have anything to do with a TiVo if it were stock. I was referring to the fact that upgraded TiVo's still work, can be updated and otherwise act normally after an upgrade is all. That's certainly not the case with some other CE products...[cough]...iPhone. :)

    They probably have a note in your permanent record about your malicious activity. ;) Sometimes calling back, getting another CSR and buttering them up works...but I agree you shouldn't have to do that and the fact that they refused to go further isn't right.

    BTW, always ask for and write down your case number. You never know when it might be needed.
     
  10. Feb 4, 2010 #4890 of 10408
    Da Goon

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    are you surprised?

    if you read tivo's service agreement, you'd stumble across this statement
    I suspect that richsadams' "slack" stems from the fact that they'll simply deny support (as they should) as opposed to being more malicious, such as terminating service or being otherwise consumer unfriendly, as they now have the right to do
     
  11. Feb 4, 2010 #4891 of 10408
    Tu13es

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    Aha. I forgot there was a difference between the Series 3 and the HD. (I have an HD).

    Well, my warranty's only about 6 months old. Maybe once it's done I'll look into replacing the internal drive...

    Thanks for the help!
     
  12. Feb 4, 2010 #4892 of 10408
    PopcornGuy

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    This thread has been a huge help with DIY upgrades. A year ago I upgraded to a 1TB drive with no problems. This year I wanted to add a 1TB external drive and found all the concerns about the Intellipark issue here. With that and the posted solution I placed my order through Amazon for a cable, enclosure, and a WD10EADS drive. To my surprise when I opened the box today I see the drive manufacture date is 23 August 2009. From what I've read there are no Intellipark issues for this date. I'll be installing this tonight without the extra steps!:D
     
  13. Feb 4, 2010 #4893 of 10408
    whitepelican

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    You might want to be prepared to do the wdidle3.exe program to disable Intellipark. There were definitely Intellipark issues with the WD10EADS drives long before the November date mentioned with some of the other drives. I have an older (not sure of the date) WD10EADS and it did require disabling the Intellipark.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2010 #4894 of 10408
    ADG

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    Sorry, I thought we were talking about a disc created with the wdidle3 iso image. I don't know what is on the disc you made - sorry if I confused the issue.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2010 #4895 of 10408
    richsadams

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    Two things, first whitepellican is correct. There were reports of the WD10EADS having Intellipark issues with manufacture dates as early as August 27th IIRC. Since yours has an August 23rd manufacture date it may or may not be affected. The earliest soft reboot problems appeared with a September 19 manufacture date on the WD10EVVS and for some other WD GP drives after that.

    However if you're planning on using the new drive as an external there probably won't be any issues if it has the new Intellipark "feature" or not. TiVo doesn't initially address the external drive during boot up. For example the WD10EADS stopped working as an internal upgrade for Series3's a few months after they were issued, however they work perfectly fine as an external drive (for both Series3's and TiVo HD's). There's no guarantee that the newer drives won't be an issue if the Intellipark "feature" isn't disabled and they are connected externally, I don't believe anyone here has tried one yet. However AFAIK there's no reason to think that they would...but until someone volunteers we just won't know.

    BTW, I think you'd make a fine TiVo Pioneer! ;)

    Hope that helps!
     
  16. Feb 5, 2010 #4896 of 10408
    PopcornGuy

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    I went ahead and installed the new drive externally without the Intellipark fix. The Tivo booted up just fine when powered on and also passed the soft reboot test when restarting using the menus. Is there anything else to be concerned about?

    It could be that my new drive was made before the Intellipark "feature" was added, or not, or that it does not matter anyways since the new drive was added externally.

    Whatever it is, I now have a 318 HD hour capacity!!! Thanks richsadams for all the help!
     
  17. Feb 5, 2010 #4897 of 10408
    richsadams

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    The biggest concern I would have is figuring out when I'd find the time to actually watch 318 hours worth of recordings! :eek: :D

    Oh, and welcome to the TiVo Pioneer's Club! Your T-shirt's in the mail. ;)

    Enjoy!
     
  18. Feb 5, 2010 #4898 of 10408
    DougJohnson

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    I just successfully upgraded my Series 3 to a WD10EADS drive that was manufactured on November 12, 2009. The hardest part was running wdidle3 against the drive.

    It appears that the iso image linked to in the FAQ only works on ATA CD ROM drives. Mine was a SATA. So I had to build a DOS bootable thumb drive and add wdidle3 to it. That meant I had to find a computer with a floppy drive on it:eek:

    But once I did that, wdidle3 ran and seems to have disable Intellipark. It took about 3 hours for WinMFS to copy recordings and all from my old 750 GB drive, both drives on SATA ports. All is well, my TiVo softboots, and I've got 157 HD hours.

    Thanks for the FAQ and thanks for WinMFS. Just a heads up on the wdidle3 iso.

    -- Doug
     
  19. Feb 5, 2010 #4899 of 10408
    bmal1

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    I created a dos boot cd with usb drivers that recognized usb external hard drives assigning them a lun and a drive letter if I chose. However, wdidle3 would not recognize the external drives, only internal drives. I read elsewhere of people attempting to run wdidle3 on external drives but no one had success.

    I did find info in other forums (http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=38392&p=214564 and http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?p=46272&sid=7e39fa74a9e97497f7016b166fc13760#p46206 ) stating that if you have a computer that takes only IDE drives, you could use a Sata to IDE bridge board (http://www.kingwin.com/products/cate/accessories/adapters/adp_06.asp), plug that directly to the motherboard IDE cable and wdidle3 would recognize that. I have not verified this myself, but that could be an option for those without sata connections.
     
  20. Feb 5, 2010 #4900 of 10408
    bigd2008

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    Is WinMFS still the only way to take advantage of the supersize option? I just upgraded my TivoHD using MFSLive1.4 for the upgrade. I'm showing 142HD hours. I'd like to get 157. I've never used WinMFS, but seems like the majority here does. What should I expect? I downloaded winmfs_beta9_3f.zip.
     

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