Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 27, 2010 #4761 of 10440
    VodkaStr8Up

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    Hello,

    Earlier this year I got a TiVoHD and replaced the drive with a 1TB drive but did not expand into the reserved storage area. I am now getting a second TiVoHD and will again replace the drive with a 1TB drive. However, I'm considering expanding with this one. Will using the storage normally reserved for commercials, etc. limit me from functionality such as downloading movies from the internet? Is there any functionality that I may need that will be limited by using the reserved storage?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Jan 27, 2010 #4762 of 10440
    MPSAN

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    From the FAQ #22 (not #21 as mentioned).


    There are no known ill effects associated with the Supersize option. In fact, TiVo appears to use that option on its own TivoHD XL (1TB) to provide 157 HD hours.


    I did this to mine. Also, I think you can do this to the one you have now without needing to backup.
     
  3. Jan 27, 2010 #4763 of 10440
    S3-2501

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    Here's an update on my experience with a 1TB Seagate Pipeline upgrade to my TivoHD.

    After about a week, the drive became increasingly noisy, but in a strange way. Instead of lots of loud clattering and such, there seemed to be an intermittent low-frequency vibration-like noise emitting from around the Tivo. It sounded very similar to taking a fingernail and gentely running it accross the textured finish of the Tivo. Both the clattering of the drive and it's normal vibration seemed to be resonating with the Tivo's case.

    I took the rubber shock-absorbing strips from the housing of my recently deceased DVR expander and placed them under the Tivo's feet on either side, running front to back. This elevated the Tivo off the shelf and helped absorb some of the vibration.

    Unfortunately, there was still some remaining hard to localize vibration being emitted from the Tivo. I then guessed that some of the vibration from the Tivo was reverberating in the inexpensive DVD player resting on top of the Tivo. I placed some old mousepads under the DVD player and that also helped further reduce the noise.

    Again, it wasn't the volume of the noise (though at times it did seem to get loud,) but rather the low-frequency nature of the noise that was very unpleasant. It's like constantly hearing the faint bass-line from a neighbor in the distance playing bass-heavy music.

    Yesterday I opened up the Tivo and re-tightened all the screws, especially the grommet screws holding the drive to the mounting plate. I put everything back together, placed the Tivo back on the rubber strips, and thankfully last night the noise was finally faint enough to be barely noticeable.

    I have had absolutely no problems with the drive in terms of functionality, but potential buyers should be aware that the Pipeline drives can apparently cause a fair bit of vibration and resonance with the TivoHD cabinet.

    I'll post back if anything else noteworthy occurs.
     
  4. Jan 27, 2010 #4764 of 10440
    pl1

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    I can say I've noticed the exact same thing with my Seagate Pipeline Drive. If there is no recording going on, it is quiet. If there is one tuner recording, the vibration is noticeable. If both tuners are recording, it is even louder. I can actually feel the vibration on the side of the TiVo. Just like you, I DO find the low level noise annoying. Not unbearable, but noticeable. I do not hear anything from the WD 1g drives, but, I also had one of those die withing 6 months, so, whatever!
     
  5. Jan 27, 2010 #4765 of 10440
    rocko

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    That's odd since your TiVo is always recording. You have two 30-minute buffers that are constantly filling so ...
     
  6. Jan 27, 2010 #4766 of 10440
    pl1

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    True enough. But, when there are no red lights on, it is quiet. Maybe there is more going on? Maybe it has something to do with the length of the recording, for example a 3 hour sports event.
     
  7. Jan 27, 2010 #4767 of 10440
    Miggsoo3

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    Just wanted to thank everyone on this forum and especially bkdtv for the great FAQ. I updated my Tivo HD with the WD10EVDS manufacture date of 12/20/09. Ran the Wdidle3 to disable the Intellipark feature. For my installation I used Dual HDD Docking station from Monoprice connected via USB to my laptop. :up:
     
  8. Jan 27, 2010 #4768 of 10440
    bmal1

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    I ordered the Seagate Pipeline 1TB HD ST31000322CS a few days ago. Based on what pl1 and S3-2501 said about the noise they are experiencing, I just ordered the WD10EVDS and will be returning the Seagate.

    I don't own a desktop that uses sata drives to run wdidle3.exe. I only have laptops. But I will find someone w/a sata drive desktop who will let me use it. Heck I might take my chances and live with the soft boot issue as long as I don't have to listen to my wife say repeatedly "where is that noise coming from?" She hears everything.

    Actually I think I my TivoHD may already have the soft boot issue. I ordered it on Jan 1. After delivery and setup, I connected to the Tivo Service. The status was "Pending... Restart" . I did the restart from the menu. When it came back up it hung. I unplugged it, plugged it back in then it started with no problems. I will check the original internal drive once I pull it out.

    Great forum and Great FAQ. I can't wait to upgrade my TivoHD. I will post the results when I am finished.
     
  9. Jan 27, 2010 #4769 of 10440
    Mahty

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    If you do have an IntelliPark issue with a brand new TiVoHD (as others may be having), you may want to consider holding off on voiding your warranty by opening the TiVoHD to do the transplant. I get the impression that TiVo may be actively pursuing this issue and you may want to keep a possible TiVo-funded upgrade option open.
     
  10. Jan 27, 2010 #4770 of 10440
    CraigK

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    That's why I switched out a newly installed ST31000322CS in my wife's TiVo HD after about two weeks with a WD10EVDS back in November. The low frequency rumble was bothering her.

    Luckily my EVDS pre-dated the Intellipark issue so I didn't have to deal with that.

    The Seagate has been re-purposed as a backup drive for my computer.
     
  11. Jan 27, 2010 #4771 of 10440
    VodkaStr8Up

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    How does TiVo know if the TiVoHD has been opened; mine didn't have a sealed sticker?
     
  12. Jan 28, 2010 #4772 of 10440
    pl1

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    Just for the record, it's not really THAT noticeable. It's not like a lot of the non-DVR drives I've used (Maxtor for example) where I could hear the annoying headseeking all the time. Boy, that drove me crazy. But, I will say that the WD drives are whisper quiet and run very cool.

    Right now, I have a program recording on the Seagate Pipeline. I just pressed the mute button. I can hear absolutely no difference in either of my TiVo's, the one with the WD drive and one with the Seagate drive. I'm trying to figure out what it was that DID cause it to be so loud the other day. Maybe it's the data reorganization or something. But, still, that is not a noise I remember hearing with the WD drives.
     
  13. Jan 28, 2010 #4773 of 10440
    pl1

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    Now I'm thinking that maybe it was a guide data reorganization while recording, since I am currently recording on one tuner, and I can not hear anything.
     
  14. Jan 28, 2010 #4774 of 10440
    Da Goon

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    haven't seen a warranty sticker since back in the Series1 days

    your tivo does upload logs every time a daily call is made however

    those logs contain many details about your box, including the model # of the hard drive currently installed
     
  15. Jan 28, 2010 #4775 of 10440
    bjmurphy

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    Hi all

    As previously posted I have upgraded my Aussie TiVo but would like to post an image of my 'system information' screen and 'Now Playing' list and am wondering how to post images on this forum. I see that you can enter a url but can you just post an image???
     
  16. Jan 28, 2010 #4776 of 10440
    bjmurphy

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    Hi all attached are two images of my system information & now playing screen from my aussie tivo that I upgraded to a wd10evds drive.

    8 days and going well, no issues at all!
     

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  17. Jan 28, 2010 #4777 of 10440
    Mahty

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    In the system information image, the TiVo box indicates up to 200 hours of HD recording capability and up to 400 hours of SD capability. I thought that 200 hours of HD capability would equate to a lot more than 400 hours of SD capability. Is this somehow an Australia thing?
     
  18. Jan 28, 2010 #4778 of 10440
    richsadams

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    That's amazing! :eek: The screens look exactly like...U.S. screens! :D Thanks for that and enjoy!
     
  19. Jan 28, 2010 #4779 of 10440
    saturn456

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    I tried posting this on the Series3 forum without any response. I have searched the forum but cannot find the exact answer I am looking for.

    I have read the upgrade tread and I see that a single drive HD has a max capacity of 1TB while a single drive HD XL has a max capacity of 2TB. Is this limit imposed by the hardware or how the original drive was formatted?

    Is there any physical difference in the hardware between the HD and the HD XL? (I aware of the THX certification on the XL)

    So if I bought 2 TiVo boxes, HD and HD XL and a 2GB HDD. Could I clone the HD XL 1TB drive on to the 2GB HDD and then put the 2TB drive in the HD box?

    Thanks
     
  20. Jan 28, 2010 #4780 of 10440
    willard

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    Can anyone tell me if the 32mb cache of the WD10EVDS provides any noticeable advantages over the 8mb cache of the WD10EVVS? Is the 32mb cache worth paying a bit more for?

    Just curious as apart from the cache size difference they are essentially the same drive if WD's website is to believed and the WD10EVVS is the drive Tivo uses in the HDXL right?

    Also, the only desktop computer I have access to is a 64 bit machine running 64 bit windows XP professional. It is only using one of the available 4 SATA ports on the mobo. Can anyone tell me if backup/transfer process detailed in the FAQ using WinMS and the Widdle do-da to disable Intellipark will work on this machine?

    Thanks in advance for the help.
     

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