Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 19, 2009 #2341 of 10484
    philwojo

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    BKDTV, I think that I know what he means. I think that step could be clarified that it needs to be done even if the MFADD is auto done by WinMFS. I was confused as well and skipped over the SuperSize option my 1st time. By that I mean it was totally clear to me, doing it for the 1st time ever, that I needed to reselect the "destination" drive now. That kind of blends in to the steps, that it is changing from the "Source" drive to the "destination" drive.

    After doing it once I now understand and had no problems my 2nd time. But, I can see how it blends and can be missed. Also, with the "sub" step saying if you don't get the MFSAdd to do "xxxx" that can confuse you 1st timer as well. It appears that you do the same things for MFSAdd as for Supersize, and it appears to be the same step so you can skip over it.

    I understand now they are different, but again, the first run through it can get to be a little confusing.

    Does that make sense??


    Phil W
     
  2. Jan 19, 2009 #2342 of 10484
    spellow

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    ok, so I have been reading, and reading, and reading some more on this thread.

    i have a Tivo Series 3 unit. So I gather I can use any external esata drive, but i want to make sure I buy the best one...is this it? the green phantom, or are there better, quieter, more reliable onces?

    http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop...+Hard+Drive-External+Hard+Drives&dpno=7532251

    Also, I know it's a stupid question, but i just get any old esata to esata cable to hook it up? or is there some special length, or brand ya'll recommend?
     
  3. Jan 19, 2009 #2343 of 10484
    richsadams

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    The Fantom drive is successfully being used by several members now and doesn't seem to be presenting any problems. It is not fan-cooled so should have plenty of ventilation around it as the drive is running 24/7. Other options are listed on the first post of this sticky thread.

    Per the first post the recommended SIIG Serial ATA external cable is less than $10.
     
  4. Jan 19, 2009 #2344 of 10484
    derspiess

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    Learned that the hard way last year. I bought what I thought would be a good Seagate drive-- wasn't on the recommended list, but I figured it would work just as well, since the model # looked similar. Worked fine for 4 months, then started getting a little loud. Then it completely failed a month or so later.

    I went back to the original puny 160gb drive for a few months (couldn't decide what to do next) and then just last week I ordered the WD5000AVVS on the recommended list, from buy.com and installed it early one evening. Working like a champ so far. Quiet & reliable :up:

    When I get my replacement from Seagate for the failed drive, I'm using it in a secondary PC ;)
     
  5. Jan 19, 2009 #2345 of 10484
    Partridge

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    I tried to do that this morning. The internal upgrade from the stock 160GB to 1TB WD10EVCS appears to be working fine, with supersize enabled. But when I tried to use MFSadd after I selected the new internal drive as Tivo Drive A and the new external (also a 10EVCS) as Tivo Drive B. The MFSadd operation failed then and once I closed the message window I got another message indicating error #8 ... something like "nothing to add". When I rebooted the TiVo, it did not recognize the external drive (expected).

    Any suggestions?
     
  6. Jan 19, 2009 #2346 of 10484
    Softail95

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    They changed the page. Now you click on your model and then you can d/l the f/w...
     
  7. Jan 19, 2009 #2347 of 10484
    Mindflux

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    Yeah, the ES.2 drives have no firmwares. Way to go Seagate. I've got 2 RAID5 arrays that cannot just go up. :eek:
     
  8. Jan 19, 2009 #2348 of 10484
    ccrider2

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    I typed everything uppercase. Today I went to try it again to be sure, but the popup for serial number is no longer there. Looks like they changed something. Guess I'll have to pull the drive to find my firmware revision and see if I need the update.
     
  9. Jan 19, 2009 #2349 of 10484
    ccrider2

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    Yea...looks like they changed the method. You have to click on your drive model now, and go from there. As Softail95 stated above.
     
  10. Jan 19, 2009 #2350 of 10484
    jlib

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    The thread name change is the best idea and would clear up a lot of confusion. Lets face it, more people seem to upgrade the internal drive these days anyway.
     
  11. Jan 19, 2009 #2351 of 10484
    Softail95

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    Okay... I downloaded the firmware .ISO and burned a CD and booted from it. The f/w installer abended saying I had the wrong disk model--even though the Seagate Drive Detect software says I have the right model and the firmware level (SD15). I fooled around with it for a little while and gave up. I have only had the drive for 12 days so I returned it to BB. I'm lucky I found out about this when I did. What a hassle. I used to swear by Seagate..... :(

    Edit: The f/w update download has been "temporarily taken offline as of Jan 19, 2008 8PM CST for validation." It was up for 3.5 hours.
     
  12. Jan 19, 2009 #2352 of 10484
    richsadams

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    Agreed...Seagate has been my first choice for years. Although I'm using WD's a lot now. WD's QC has improved markedly over the past couple of years. Hope Seagate doesn't slide any further. Kind of like Harley and Honda trading places. :eek:
     
  13. Jan 20, 2009 #2353 of 10484
    slyone

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  14. Jan 20, 2009 #2354 of 10484
    zEli173

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    Just completed my TiVo HD upgrade with the WD10EVCS that, for a little while, seemed to be a catastrophe.

    Everything went according to plan until I plugged the TiVo back in and it started to boot. After about twenty seconds, the screen just went to gray. I unplugged and tried anew, but again came the gray screen. Frantically now, I unplugged and repeated to the same result. I was freaking out a little; my TiVo was busted and the warranty void. There had been no problems with WinFS or anything else along the way, it was all so smooth. Too smooth in fact ... for, after thinking it through a few minutes, I realized I hadn't bothered to reconnect the SATA plug :D.

    In the end, all is OK! I'm back up now with a 157 hours of HD capacity!
     
  15. Jan 20, 2009 #2355 of 10484
    robertfruth

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    I think after scouring this forum over the last several days I am ready to upgrade my series 3. The plan of attack is as follows. (I will be duplicating every thing as I have two series 3 units. One is on an annual service agreement, this is the first one I will do, the other unit has a lifetime service agreement, and I will upgrade that one, after success with the 1st one.)

    I have the Hitachi Deskstar HDS721010KLA330 (1 tb hardrive) and the Western Digital WD10EACS-00ZJBO (1 tb) and the Antec MX1 enclosure.

    Orginally I was going to upgrade the internal and at the same time add the external drive. After reading the caution that was reported on January 10, regarding software ver. 11 with Tivo, I've decided to just upgrade the internal drive at the moment. When it has been verified that it can be done with no issues, I will add the 1tb WD drive in the Antec enclosure.

    Questions at this time.

    1. I have seen some ?'s regarding "supersizing", mainly regarding future software issues, upgrades, etc. Does anybody see any down side to supersizing at this time. I feel that I might as well sqeeze out all recording capacity as I can, Yet, since I plan on having a total of 2 tbs total storage in the near future, I can probably live without "supersizing" if there are any potential down side to doing so.

    2. I know from reading the FAQ's that the Western Digital WD10EACS-00ZJBO is not a option for a internal upgrade to a series 3, I have yet to see that it should not be used in the MX-1 enclousure as an external drive. I already have 2 of the WD 10EACS drives, so I would hope that I can use them. If it is determined that I should just get a different drive for the external, than so be it. I can always use the WD drives that I have in some of my pc's. But as stated, I already have them and hope that I can use them and save some $$$ on buying 2 new drives.

    3. While I would rather upgrade both the internal and external drive at the same time (to save time). I will wait and do them seperatly, unless I can get advice that it is acceptable to do them at the same time. Just concerned about the issues with ver 11 software on Tivo.

    As you can tell, I am hesitant on doing these upgrades and want to have as much information as possible, so that I do these upgrades without any issues.

    I will be doing these upgrades useing a Gateway laptop running Vista Premium. I have already purchased two usb to esata adapters. While I know this is the slower way to go in regards to copying my current recordings, I feel it is the best option for me as I will only be copying the programs from the orginal 160 mb series 3 hard drive.

    Oh, and one last question, should I still buy the SIIG esata cable when I do add the external drive, or will the cables that come with the Antec MX-1 be sufficient.

    Thanks in advance for any help that I can get to these questions. Also, any imput from anybody regarding my plans will also be greatly appreciated. And last buy not least, I apologize for any and all spelling errors.
     
  16. Jan 20, 2009 #2356 of 10484
    GarKar

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    I realize now why I was confused. I should have simply ignored the line about going to mfsadd if you didn't get the 'expand drive' dialog box. I incorrectly interpreted that as meaning I needed to go to mfsadd to supersize. When I did that, it told me I was going to write the copy again and I didn't want to do that so I closed out of that. Then I overlooked the instruction to change the drive to the newly copied destination drive before going to the 'tools', 'mfssupersize - on'. Totally my mistake, your directions are accurate. I just lost confidence because I thought I was out of sequence or something. I'm happy for now without the supersize because the 143 hours is more than sufficient. I am confident I could do the supersize in the future if necessary. Thanks again for the guide.
     
  17. Jan 20, 2009 #2357 of 10484
    IRJ

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    I have had my TIVO HD for near 2 weeks and upgraded the firmware and installed the M-Card. Everything seems good.
    I also have the requisite WD One TB HD and am ready to "do" the upgrade of the HD.

    Q: I want to use "mfscopy". Does the original TIVO 160GB HD need to be attached to my PC at the SAME TIME as my new WD HD?
    Or because I have no programming to transfer is it easier (for me) to transfer all the data to my pc and then to my new HD?
    The latter route has some merit it it's easier than opening up the pc and attaching 2 extra drives etc etc. One at a time via an ESATA adapter would seem less challenging.

    Thanks. I appreciate any advice.
     
  18. Jan 20, 2009 #2358 of 10484
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum! My take on your questions...

    1. If you're going to end up w/2TB's of recording space, do you really need those extra few hours? If not, based on the current streaming video question(s), I wouldn't bother with Supersizing right now. You can always do it later.

    2. Your WD10EACS will work fine as an eSATA drive. The MX-1 is a very good enclosure choice.

    3. IIRC there were a couple of comments with regard v11.0 and Seagate FAP eSATA drives (and they seem to be working despite TiVo's warning anyway). Everyone that has an eSATA drive has v11.0 now and AFAIK they are working fine. Unless someone here has evidence to the contrary you should feel comfortable marrying them during your upgrade.

    4. During a short period there were problems with the OEM eSATA II cables supplied with the MX-1's. That was over a year ago and the new one's seem to be fine. For about 10 bucks, the SIIG Serial ATA external cable isn't a bad backup however.

    Note that you can reduce the seek acoustic noise of the Hitachi Deskstar as well as the WD10EACS to 128 by using the AAM adjustment program of the Hitachi Feature Tool.

    Is there a possibility of copying the recordings you want to keep by using MRV or a crossover Ethernet cable between your TiVo's rather than running a full backup using USB adapters with your laptop? If one or the other has enough room it could save a good deal of time.

    Happy upgrading and don't be worried. As mentioned, it sounds complicated but if you follow each step carefully it is really quite simple and you'll be an expert before you know it. Enjoy!
     
  19. Jan 20, 2009 #2359 of 10484
    Mindflux

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    I tried to use the HFT on a non Hitachi drive the other day and it did not like it one bit. I'd suggest getting the appropriate manufacturer's tool to set the AAM for the drive if it's not a Hitachi unit.
     
  20. Jan 20, 2009 #2360 of 10484
    richsadams

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    If all you want to do is copy the OS image from your existing TiVo hard drive to your new hard drive, you would not need to use mfscopy. Follow Section IV, #12 "TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings Only" on the first post of this thread.

    Basically that means connecting your existing TiVo drive to youur computer, copying the image data, then connecting your new hard drive and copying it over. (There are a couple of more steps, but that's about it.) That will keep all of your cable card info, Season Passes, etc. Put your original hard drive on the shelf as a backup and you're done.

    Happy upgrading!
     

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