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  1. idksmy

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    Agreed. The cable company where I live has a monopoly for both cable tv and Internet services. Their internet service monthly cost drops based on what cable tv packages you subscribe to. I have run the numbers and the best I can do is break even by dropping cable and have my monthly internet service increase. People I work with live in developments where both Comcast and Verizon fiber are available. Many of them switch every few years when specials are available from the other carrier. Good for them. I still like where we live and part of that means no choice for cable or Internet. That’s life.
     
  2. lpwcomp

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    Even if there are Internet options ( I use U-Verse for Internet), few people have a viable option if they want to continue to use TiVo and continue to have access to non-broadcast channels. Of course, that will probably be moot in a few years when Comcast switches to IPTV.
     
  3. HerronScott

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    Comcast is going to tell you that's not the charge for the CableCARD. It's an ADO charge which is charged if you have a CableCARD or a STB and in fact is more for a STB since you have the COE credit when you have a CableCARD. Doesn't mean I like the ADO charge either. :(

    Note that for our S3's the additional CableCARD charge was down to 80 cents when we stopped using them.

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  4. atmuscarella

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    Ya there are those who like to hang their hat on the legal meaning of monopoly. In the end it doesn't matter if there is a legally defined monopoly or not what matters is if there are enough actually viable alternatives, so that there is real competition. I am not sure how many viable high speed internet providers it would take for competition to actually tilt the scales in favor of customers but I am certain it isn't just one or two.
     
  5. idksmy

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    My guess is there’s really only going to be two competitors; The cable company and, if you are fortunate, the company who strings fiber. Whichever entity built the infrastructure is going to want reimbursed. So, if a third company wants to enter the market, their charges to the customer will have to include what they are charged to use the infrastructure.

    Internet and cable began as ‘wants’. For all intents and purposes they are both (certainly Internet) are ‘needs’ and are for all practical purposes utilities just like electricity.
     
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    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    And yet they've fought tooth and nail to prevent from being regulated as a utility. The last administration was on a path to make that happen, but the current administration has rolled back much of that progress.
     
  7. pdhenry

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    There's a reason that Comcast's price for standalone Internet was within a dollar or two of the double play bundle of internet plus limited basic cable.
     
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    I am not saying theft is or isn't an issue, but it is unclear this example has much to do with encrypted basic tear vs just plain old marketing.

    There are many "bundle" packages from Comcast that are either very close in price to the individual services are even less expensive.
     
  9. lpwcomp

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    I know that they are charging for the ADO and that I get a COE credit for each TiVo (I accounted for the COE in my yearly total and I had to specifically request it each time) Amounts to the same thing, especially since they add the charge the day you pick up the card even if you wait a month to activate it.

    The thing is that the ADO itself costs them next to nothing. Most of what they charge is pure profit.
     
  10. idksmy

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    IMO, utilities should be regulated at the state, not federal, level.
     
  11. atmuscarella

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    Part of what 5G is about is the ability to provide home broadband that competes with cable. That should move the number of players in the home broadband market to 3-4 in some places and at least 2 nearly everywhere.

    I actually live where there are ZERO broadband providers and have to use either DSL or satellite. Thankfully Frontier upgraded their system enough so that DSL is now usable, 2 years ago I couldn't even stream YouTube/Vudu/etc. in SD in the late afternoon or evening.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Why?
     
  13. idksmy

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    The state government is a lot closer to the people being affected by the regulations. In PA, utilities are regulated by the Pennsylvania Utility Commission. Yes, there are PA only utilities, but there are also utilities that span states. The PUC still regulates them in PA.
     
  14. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    That causes two not so good side effects.

    Indiana state laws are a great source of guns for Chicago.

    Insurance commissioners (usually elected) can specify coverage regulations. That, however, seems to be killed now.

    As for utilities, I have stock in PPL. It's major customer is in Europe. It's rates are quite high, but we do have a choice in that area.
     
  15. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Good to know.
     

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