Dollhouse 1x02 "Ghost" (OAD 2/13/2009) *Spoilers*

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  1. Feb 14, 2009 #41 of 215
    Amnesia

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    There are several advantages that I can see.

    For one thing, it's a one-stop shot. You need a hostage negotiator? Check. Hot party chick? Check. Aircraft pilot? Check. Expert mountain guide? Check. Acrobat? Check. All from the same place. And there's few worries that the expert will be otherwise engaged.

    Secondly, you know that the active's memory will be wiped when it's all over.
     
  2. Feb 14, 2009 #42 of 215
    JimSpence

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    Nah, that would be Fred!

    I realize Joss pulled episode #1 because it didn't come up to his standards. But, I suspect there was a lot of setup in it that left this episode hangin' a bit. Hopefully, they will bring in more backstory that may have been in #1.
     
  3. Feb 14, 2009 #43 of 215
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The network pulled the pilot, but Whedon ended up agreeing with the decision. This episode was specifically written to be the new first episode.

    Apparently, the plan now is to have a number of relatively stand-alone episodes before the series arc kicks in.

    By the way, Load, this is episode 1x01. That kind of designation is an episode number, not a production code (which would usually but not always be something like 101, 102, etc.), and is shorthand for "Season 1, episode 1." This was the first episode and was intended to be such, so it is 1x01.
     
  4. Feb 14, 2009 #44 of 215
    Robin

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    Southwestern...
    Of course not. My point is that it's hard not to compare it to the very best of Joss's work.

    I just answered that:

    I thought they made that pretty clear in the opening scene. Well ok, not "clear", but maybe "touched on". Echo was trying to get away from something. IIRC she said she didn't have a choice, though, and I don't get that part.
     
  5. Feb 14, 2009 #45 of 215
    hefe

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    I disagree. If it's good, it's worth it to watch. I don't regret watching the few episodes of Firefly that were made.

    I guess I'm not a great judge of acting talent. I thought she was ok. Not great, but not bad either.

    Going back to Firefly, I didn't think that Summer Glau, Morena Baccarin, or even Ron Glass did a great job acting, but it didn't diminish my enjoyment of the show.
     
  6. Feb 14, 2009 #46 of 215
    Robin

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    Ok, I just rewatched on Hulu. Got to help the ratings, you know. ;) Questions/comments:

    What's with her date at the beginning?

    Is it the lawyer that's boxing? Why? Is it an analogy for his run-in with the others at his firm, or was he really boxing at some point?

    The programming guy is like someone who works with kids and doesn't genuinely like them. Very condescending.

    "your only priority is echo"...why? Why isn't the mission the highest priority? Don't they have dozens of actives? Why is one so important?

    Who is the guy the lawyer accosts in the bathroom? An active?

    "see the blue areas? That's fear." classic Joss.

    "I looked her up." Smooth move. Wouldn't you know the full history on all templates? He does say she killed herself a year ago so it's possible they had the full history but didn't stay up to date.

    Envelope says Paul Ballard Keep Looking...is that the lawyer?
     
  7. Feb 14, 2009 #47 of 215
    hefe

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    Ballard is Helo, I mean...the FBI agent looking for the Dollhouse.
     
  8. Feb 14, 2009 #48 of 215
    minorthr

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    That's what I told my wife but she insists its a dress. I didnt like the show at all she loved it. The episode just made no sense almost like it was played out of order which is what fox loves to do.
     
  9. Feb 14, 2009 #49 of 215
    Alfer

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    As I was cleaning up the house for the night I flipped channels and recognized that the girl on was the Dollhouse chick so I watched for a few minutes.

    From what I saw, I'm not feelin the love at all for this....it was as cheesy and cardboard as I imagined...

    I see no way that this can pull in any kind of audience, especially on a Friday.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2009 #50 of 215
    hanumang

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    Based on nothing but personal interpretation I believe that guy (who's birthday it was) 'hired' her to be Miss Right. Which would explain why he knew that the clock had 'struck 12.'

    He's an FBI agent, if I'm not mistaken. And yeah, took the boxing session as an analogy (he doesn't know when to back off/give up, in particular).

    As for the guy he accosts in the bathroom, that dude is a human trafficker who he thinks is a degree (or two) removed from the trafficking people who supply the Dollhouse.

    As with all companies/agencies that operate outside the law, they want to make sure their setup - actives, handlers, template - isn't discovered. Perhaps in the case of Echo, it might have something to do with her contract (and/or debt incurred). At least that's how I'm interpreting the opening scene.
     
  11. Feb 14, 2009 #51 of 215
    BitbyBlit

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    I realize that the typical television viewer today tends to be impatient with plot development, but I thought they tried to cram way too much information in this episode, causing a lot of awkward scenes that did not fit well together.

    I think they should have started off with a few episodes of Echo simply doing her various jobs without introducing law enforcement agents after them or philosophical discussions about what they were doing. After people got used to how the Dollhouse worked, then they could start introducing the other aspects of the series.

    I thought that's what they were trying to do when they pulled the pilot in favor of the second episode, but if this episode was supposed to be the one with less exposition, then I'd hate to see what the pilot looked like.
     
  12. Feb 14, 2009 #52 of 215
    BitbyBlit

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    Thirdly, you know exactly what you are getting. Regular specialists carry a lot of extra baggage with them, but Actives can be designed with just the right skill set and attitude for the situation. Why waste time trying to find an escort who has motorcycle skills and is good at pretending she actually likes you when you can instead design someone to have those skills and actually be in to you? Why risk bringing a negotiator who might have reservations about keeping the law out of the situation or not be as discrete as you might want her to be when you can design someone to act differently?
     
  13. Feb 14, 2009 #53 of 215
    madscientist

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    Are we really sure there are "dozens" of actives? I don't think there are very many. There were only 5 of those "sleeping areas" where the ceiling closes on them. If they go alphabetically and the newest one is "Sierra", then there are 19 that have ever existed. We don't know how many are still active... apparently, from the folder at the end, Alpha at least is "a problem".

    I understood the "priority" comment; it has to be pretty hard to find people willing to undergo that treatment, and even more difficult to find ones that are good looking (presumably this is a requirement for many of the jobs they're called on to do!) They would have to treat them as incredibly valuable, and more valuable than any single client. And, the handler is an ex-cop. Basically they were saying you're there to protect Echo, not to bring anyone to justice.
     
  14. Feb 14, 2009 #54 of 215
    ruexp67

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    Maybe because there were other actives there as tactical support. So the priority for Echo and the handler would be to protect Echo, who was not programmed for tactical. Just a theory.
     
  15. Feb 14, 2009 #55 of 215
    dcheesi

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    I thought the same thing --not that I'm complaining, mind you ;)



    I kind of agree with this. They could have introduced the FBI guy later. I also wonder what it is about Fox and Joss' pilots that just don't mix...
     
  16. Feb 14, 2009 #56 of 215
    Robin

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    hanumang, nice insights, thanks.

    But actives carry the baggage of their templates. i.e. nearsightedness, asthma, and childhood trauma.


    But that's an excellent point.

    I was wondering about that too. It seemed like in the exercise scene there were quite a few actives, many of them men. The five sleeping areas didn't seem like nearly enough.
     
  17. Feb 14, 2009 #57 of 215
    dcheesi

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    I agree that they could have done more to highlight the fact that it was a flashback. OTOH, I think the intro bit helped establish that this is not some human-trafficking thing (as the FBI guy thinks), but rather regular people signing their life away to get out of trouble. Honestly, I think it's something that Joss, the male-feminist that he is, felt he needed to establish, even if it weakens the mystery & drama of the initial episode(s).
     
  18. Feb 14, 2009 #58 of 215
    FilmCritic3000

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    Viewers Give Warm Welcome To Whedon's Dollhouse

    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/02/viewers_give_warm_welcome_to_w.php

    Dollhouse also placed highly in both the female and male demographics.

    http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/02/dollhouse-attra.html

     
  19. Feb 14, 2009 #59 of 215
    tivogurl

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    Only people close to him know the real scoop. He's not going to publicly disagree with Fox, not if he wants to get his show financed and aired.
     
  20. Feb 15, 2009 #60 of 215
    tivolovr

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    Clearly I was slow on this ... the first job, the party girl one? That was the assignment?! I was under the initial impression that this had something to do with with crime solving. But if giving one man a great three-night-stand was the job then aren't the girls just brainwashed call girls?

    This doesn't seem to jive with Joss's usual girl-power mojo.
     

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