Does my TiVo need to be online all the time?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by fairnymph, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    While I agree your warning is technically correct, I doubt it's really needed, because one would really have to go out of one's way to even find a "simple" router.

    Home firewall routers are far more prevalent, and anyone hitting his local retail store is unlikely to be offered a "simple" router, or even to find one there at all. Indeed, "simple" routers are, for the most part, considerably more expensive and less readily available than firewall routers for the home market.
     
  2. Dancar

    Dancar Member

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    When you recommended a "simple router," I was thinking of a simple router, not one with NAT and DHCP. I sometimes bought them for the office in a previous job, so yes, you can can them cheaply at Fry's electronics, and by mistake if you're not sure what you really need.

    But you're right that what you'd find at Best Buy a broadband router, which has the safety features discussed here.
     
  3. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    A simple router, as in a home broadband router, will have NAT and DHCP, which are the primary reasons to get one. If your ISP offers multiple IP addresses, you really don't need one.
     
  4. slaponte

    slaponte The Iron Monkey

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    Dude, "a switch is similar to a router"?? oookkkkk.... come on...

    Yes, with a switch and some saavy and extra work you might get the combo to emulate a router, but really. Who wants to work like that.

    As for devices issues, you can always replace your cable modem with a cable modem/router combo unit and be done with that.

    Anyway, it seems to be solved. Let us know when your machine gets melted. Yes, there are people out there with nothing better to do than hack into your PC to destroy it for the pure fun of it. Weird, no? :)
     
  5. Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    I think the confusion here is in the use of the term "simple". Dancar took it to mean a device which performs network routing functions, period. That is the classic usage, and as far as functionality is concerned, that's about as "simple" as a router gets.

    However, the term "router" has been purloined by the purveyors of consumer network equipment, and marketed to the point that pretty much everyone who doesn't have a CCNA or other networking certification, takes it to mean a device which combines routing, NAT, DHCP, and other security and convenience functions, into a single "simple" device. Simple for the consumer to install and use, but far from simple in terms of functionality.
     
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I have gone into various stores and bough netgear and linksys cable modem routers at different times- different homes and they just connect to the cable modem with some simple instructions. I hook up PCs and whatever to the router or maybe a hub hooked to the router and have no problem with configuring anything.

    You do want to CHANGE the passwrod on the router though most are set by default to not be rremotely configured.


    OP - order one from an online store instead if you want - where ever you get your tech stuff now will have them.


    EDIT - to the posters who are debating routers versus switches and simple routers - you do realize you porbably went over many heads and most likely confused more people than helped. ;)
     
  7. lew

    lew Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention the fact that users who don't need a router can use a software firewall program, some of them are even free, to prevent the dire problems mentioned by others in this thread.
     
  8. Dancar

    Dancar Member

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    I'll step forward and take responsibility here.....

    I was confusing "router" with "hub." I've become specialized in a different area of IT so I haven't done small office networking in several years. Still, someone who's cable provider offers multiple IPs and uses a simple <i>hub</i> to connect multiple devices may be doing to networking equivelent of leaving your door unlocked, especially of you use shared folders to move files between computers in your home.

    So ignore the heat written here, follow the advice and make sure you have a firewall somewhere between your networked machines and the internet.
     
  9. DeathRider

    DeathRider New Member

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    I purchased an SMC 802.11b barricade router years ago for a friend. first and only consumer one I've seen that blocked wired computers from the unit when MAC address filtering was on (most only block/allow wireless connections)

    As ZeoTiVo suggested, change the default password. Usually, it's "admin" for the username with no password or no username and "admin" for the password...
     
  10. slaponte

    slaponte The Iron Monkey

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    Way to go Dancar. I am also NOT a network specialist, but been dealing with hubs, switches and routers for a few years. My intent was to address the "get the two devices on over the cable modem" issue and was not addressing security, and issue that can take long lasting threads. :)

    It is my humble opinion that a "nice enough" router (for home use, with some security built in) can be easily affordable and mine usually last a couple of years so you get your money's worth. I have my Tivos on wireless to mine with my PC on hardwire and they all share the DSL access. Mostly aplug and play thing.
     

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