Does Bolt support both OTA and cable card at the same time?

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by gfweiss, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. rjacobsen

    rjacobsen New Member

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    So putting both OTA and Cable in one Bolt is more expensive then buying an Cable Bolt and OTA bolt and putting them on the same home network?
     
  2. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    More expensive to whom?
     
  3. Albert E.

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    WMC guide1.jpg WMC guide2.jpg WMC guide3.jpg Overlapping frequencies is not a problem. Overlap all you want, it doesn’t matter. It is TIVO’s decision not to support both OTA and Cable, not a technical difficulty. The way it works is you have two separate coaxes coming into your home, connecting to two separate tuners. One coax comes in from your antenna and connects to an internal OTA antenna. Another separate coax comes in from your cable provider and connects to a separate internal CABLE tuner. This approach will even work with a cable card tuner. Take a look at my photos using Windows Media Center. The antenna channels are the ones with the decimal point. The cable channels are no decimal point. Using a cable card tuner I have all my antenna channels and cable channels and premium channels in one guide. You notice I have HBO, Cinemax, Starz, Basic cable and OTA all in one guide. And with Windows Media Center I can record all I want on as many hard drives as I want and I don’t get charged a dime. I don’t know if it is the TIVO Engineers or TIVO marketing, but either way TIVO really missed the boat on this one!!!
     

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  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    TiVo did it; they just don’t do it anymore. In fact, their latest DVR series, the EDGE, doesn’t even offer a CableCARD or OTA model; it’s strictly one or the other. Just not enough profit in the hybrid model, apparently.

    WMC was great in some ways, but lack of support, and especially lack of client devices, ended our 12-tuner setup. A TiVo whole home setup with separate CableCARD and OTA DVRs and 7 Minis was far more manageable and a better, simpler solution. I’ll always curse Microsoft for doing so little with and then abandoning what they had.
     
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  5. BobCamp1

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    Overlapping frequencies isn't technically a problem, because your cable company is smart enough not to use those frequencies.

    The problem is you're connecting an antenna to your cable system, broadcasting frequencies you shouldn't be. You have to do it the way Albert says, but when's the last time you saw a device with two coaxial inputs? Even my TV only has one, and I have to choose between cable TV or OTA.

    Edit: you can use an RF circulator or an isolator on the antenna to avoid this issue, but an average consumer isn't going to know how to connect that up.
     
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  6. Albert E.

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    I'll be damn! I just found a TIVO series 3 in the alley, and your right, it has cable, antenna, and two cable card slots. Too bad it can't be activated. I'm not sure I get the two cable card thing (?)
    Your also right about MS abandoning what they had, it was great, and I struggle to keep mine alive.
     
  7. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    You'll need a 2-tuner Premiere for concurrent OTA and cable from a TiVo if starting fresh.

    And the Series 3 required 2 CableCARD slots to support its 2 tuners because it was released prior to CableCARD supporting multiple tuners with the multi-stream CableCARD (aka M-Card).
     
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  8. JoeKustra

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    I feel you know everything, so I have a question. I know the 746500/746320 have two coax rf and can do OTA & cable. I have both boxes.

    I find a conflict with TCD74800. One webpage shows one coax rf: https://support.tivo.com/articles/FAQ/TiVo-Service-Number-and-Model-Number-Table, but one page shows two coax rf: TiVopedia - TiVo Premiere XL Series4 - TCD748000 yet both indicate OTA and cable. Is the TiVo chart just a typo?
     
  9. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Fastest wrongness ever for a TCF posting. I’m just obnoxiously vocal about the few things I have a rudimentary grasp of.

    And I was being lazy in my prior post, hoping 2-tuner Premiere would be an exact match to the OTA+CableCARD models, rather than double-checking. Never having owned/used a Premiere, my understanding was that the Premiere 4-tuner models were CableCARD-only (also w added MoCA bridging) and that the 2-tuners were the last of the concurrent OTA+CableCARD tech. (Similar to the early Roamio 4- and 6-tuner division, absent the concurrent OTA+cable).
     
  10. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    My money would be on the TiVo info being wrong.

    (All the images I’ve reviewed via eBay confirm the 000 as a 2 RF port model.)
     
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