Does anyone use a roamio (or a mini) with a switch?

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  1. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    Ah, yes. That's what nudged me to get better equipment. Besides a good price at checkout, the combo-rebate. I don't usually buy anything with a rebate, or just don't send it in (often gets the same result as sending the rebate in - never recieved claim).

    Just a data-point: The NewEgg reviews on the Netgear combo-rebates have started coming in as being a pre-paid card, only good for purchase of more Netgear equipment. I can not confirm this yet (no rebate received yet).

    It's also worth noting that this would be the third month of "Buy Netgear products, in this list, for this month, and get up to a $__.__ pre-paid card" promotion.

    If NewEgg didn't make the checkout price a good, or great, deal on it's own, I'd never let a rebate sway my purchase decisions.

    Then, there's a whole new set of complications if you could return the product, due to not liking it, but gave-away that right by cutting off the UPC code. Then, you can only go through product warranty, and are stuck with what you bought (or a refurbished replacement, and paying shipping).
     
  2. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    Since I went nuclear over people not posting "how they got there" along with their "no problems here" posts:

    If I didn't add two VoIP units to my home network, I wouldn't have discovered a reason to use (turn on and configure) QoS and get switches that honor the Priority tags. I might not have explored router settings other than "off" or "auto" (which likely works fine for most people).

    If not for that, I'd still be complaining how terrible Netflix works on any TiVo I've ever owned, including the base Roamio x3.

    It took a lot of trial and error, but it made VoIP as good as landlines. By accident, it made my TiVo Roamio experience better. All those little annoyances with the delay of the ads appearing delaying me from deleting a program, reduced C133 errors with the TiVo service (ones caused by my network), lots of things to cross-off "what bothers me". I share this, hoping it helps somebody, and my list gets longer... That's not right...

    If just plugging in the two VoIP boxes directly into two router ports would have worked for me, I wouldn't know that some switches don't honor Priority tags/QoS. I needed to be able to plug them in downstream, and didn't want to run dedicated cables to avoid my existing switches.

    Some additional tweaking, once all the $10-less (or even equal-price) switches were out, and I almost don't want to install my new router. Things are finally working in harmony (network-wise). I only spent more than $10 greater price to have some level of switch diagnostics, and figured a few management functions couldn't hurt.

    Right now, people can either check the specs on a switch they buy, or blindly buy whatever is convenient. I'm saying that if you choose to check for one item, you might get one that supports 802.1P priority tags, for the same price as one that doesn't. Even if it doesn't help you, what did you lose by picking it over the one that didn't support it?

    Fast-forward to some point in the future, and you install a VoIP device, and want to have it downstream of your router, passing through that switch... If it doesn't want to work, or works poorly, will you remember what might be the problem?

    I don't think there is more I can say, and I'll just have to take my floggings for blowing-up.
     
  3. slowbiscuit

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    Do you need QoS on your router if you want good VOIP? Maybe, if you upload a lot and/or torrent. Do you need it on your GigE switches? For all but the edge cases, no, for all the reasons mentioned here.

    And yeah, you're once again blowing this small molehill into a huge mountain which is kind of your modus operandi here.
     
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    At least I already admitted it, and am trying to just leave it be, in as dignified a manner I can do so. Which, is why I'm not even commenting on your position.

    To each their own network, and the freedom to choose it, and use it, in the manner they choose. Best of luck & hope you enjoyed the nuclear explosion in Nevada.
     
  5. CrispyCritter

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    The problem is that you were recommending managed switches as a magic bullet to solve everybody's network problems. It's not.

    Managed switches are the right answer if

    1. You determine you have latency issues on some applications caused by traffic on others. A small percentage of folks with network issues here have this problem (we know because when they do solve their problems, it's not with managed switches, except in rare cases).

    2. You have the network background to both set up a managed switch to solve your problem, and maintain that switch correctly as your needs in the home change. If we suddenly replaced all switches of TivoCommunity members with managed switches, I would wager large sums of money that we would have many more network problems than we solved. Unless managed switches have changed in the past 10 years, they are not simple, expensive, and very non-standard. The average TiVo user does not have the background to understand most of the settings that they need to make.
     
  6. nooneuknow

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    Completely unmanaged switches, with no configuration options even available to the user can support and honor the QoS/Priority standards in question.

    I started off with a simple, generous, post with a link to some "priority by the color-coded port you plug into" switches, which will work on any network - switches that I have used, still do use, and NewEgg had on sale, complete with promo code. I'm such a bad person. Shame on me.

    Those are unmanaged switches. Check the specs and listing area before sticking your foot in your own mouth. There are plenty of completely unmanaged switches that can honor QoS/Priority tagging. Just because I spoke of some other switches that had limited management functions, in the course of discussion doesn't equate to recommending every switch I speak of to all.

    Don't twist it into something more, just to keep me going, so you can keep arguing with anything or everything I say.

    I'm trying to drop the subject, and you conveniently put words in my mouth, knowing I won't allow that to go un-called.

    I'm not the only predictable one on here.

    EDIT/ADD: My original, sinister, post link: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10096306#post10096306
     
  7. GmanTiVo

    GmanTiVo give me more options

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    I posted this in another thread...
    I bought 5 of the Netgear GS108 on ebay (NIB for <$25 each , do some searching ;)

    Edit (after reading some of the other posts): I'm no network wizard more like J6P so have only done minor QoS and Satatic IP address tweeking in the router....
     
  8. eboydog

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    The issue of how complex a person can configure their home data network and personal ego's are derailing the purpose of this message thread.

    Perhaps this topic can be salvaged if we try to get back to the point. OP was asking for input on home network switches that others have successfully used. The majority of Tivo owners are not network engineers, have no care about QOS and may have no need for a ethernet switch beyond what their multi port home router/wireless access point provides.

    TiVo support has clouded this issue by declaring that "switches" are not supported which per my multiple conversations with them is due to their inability to support the multitudes of different configurations which they can not control or anticipate the endless possibilities of configurations.

    Please post your success and failures of home network switches, I'm curious to know more those that work and don't work. To argue the merits of how your advanced home network is configured provides no help for those who don't know the difference between an ethernet cable and a regular old school telephone line other that the ethernet cable appears to have a larger plug.

    Let's see if we can keep it civil, for those who are knowledgeable of data networks, perhaps we can help those who don't have a solid understanding and can provide help to improve their network performance with our assitance. Arguing the merits of why your way is better than mine doesn't bring anything helpful to the community.
     
  9. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    As much as it seems that I'm the one being complex and egotistical, as you say, I agree with you.

    I still think the whole "TiVo doesn't support switches" context is really "TiVo doesn't provide support for switches", or could even be that TiVo CS might confuse a network switch with a HDMI switch, and the latter is more of a support issue headache for TiVo, than network switches.

    If you strip away the parts of my posts that speak about QoS & 802.1p priority tags, and everybody gets it clear that I didn't ever say TiVo users need managed or even "smart" switches, I think I already gave all the data-points you say we need. If not, I'm open for some civil questions, or friendly discussion.
     
  10. takeshi

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    I'm using an old Netgear 10/100 5 port switch with my Mini. Switch is connected via MoCa. Don't recall the model number and not sure it would really help anyway since it's an old model that is no longer offered. Never had any problems with it.
     
  11. aaronwt

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    So a heads up for anyone wanting to use the Actiontec GigE MoCA adapter.(model ECB3500T01).
    It's GigE switch is lacking. It works perfectly fine for the speeds from several TiVos. But for high speed GigE transfer, like pC to PC it is lacking.

    My plan was to have all my TiVo associated equipment connected directly to the four port GigE switch of the Actiontec or connected by MoCA. But I realized when making transfers between my TiVo Desktop PC and another PC conncted to my Dlink switches that the throughput speeds were only around 460mbps.

    So I connected my TiVo Desktop PC back to my Dlink Switch. And left my TiVos over MoCA and ethernet connected to the Actiontec. With one GigE port connected to a Dlink GigE switch. So now my TiVo Desktop PC will get the 960mbps throughput speeds I expect from the Dlink when transferring between my other PCs and still have no issues with the concurrent transfers to/from my TiVos which are under 300mbps.
     
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    I have a Mini, and it is paired with a Roamio with 3 switches in between (2-managed, 1-unmanaged). All connections are over Cat 6 (no wireless).

    No problems to date.
     
  14. Bigg

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    I use only the highest quality premium switches. My current ones feature full 10/100 operation with a huge 8 ports. [/sarcasm] They're $9 and from Monoprice, with an old router thrown in there as a switch for good measure. They all work fine.
     
  15. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    NewEgg has these on sale for $19.99 again:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122363&ignorebbr=1

    NETGEAR 5 Port Gigabit Desktop Switch (GS605AV)

    $29.99
    + USD $10 off w/ promo code NTWMAYX14, ends 5/21

    5 out of 5 eggs (37) | Write a Review
    In stock. Limit 5 per customer.

    10x faster than Fast Ethernet
    Incorporates Plug-and-Play ease of use
    128K on-chip packet buffering
    MAC address database: 4,000
    Auto Uplink
    Honors IEEE 802.1p priority tags

    They are the best unmanaged switches I have ever used, and currently use them at all my network endpoints, with my Roamios on the medium priority ports, high used for VoIP, and low for PC connections.
     
  16. slowbiscuit

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    Decent if you want a 5-port, but you can get just as good 8-ports like the one I mentioned earlier for the same money all the time (on sale). And yes, it works fine without priority tags.
     
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    It works better for me, using the 5-port AV-series. I think having two VoIP devices is what really makes me love them so much. I usually don't get anything with less than eight ports. There's nothing stopping adding another switch to any one of the priority-by-color ports. I'm doing exactly that, in one room, and it works using another AV-series switch, or a "normal" one.

    I need the priority for my VoIP. The way my TiVos work better with these switches may be just due to me investigating QoS on my consumer-grade router, and turning it on (and turning uPnP off). I did set up hard rules by MAC addresses, but it was probably only helpful for the VoIP devices (no issues with them since). Just turning QoS on, and leaving the traffic priority up to the "auto" setting, would likely have been fine, if I wasn't so intent on making my BasicTalk VoIP work as well as a landline.

    The only thing that bothers me (at this time), is that every time I post a deal alert, I find myself feeling like I shouldn't bother, if all it's going to lead to is blow-back, or naysayers.

    Seriously. I made sure (this time) to post the deal, and simply state I've had the best luck, performance, reliability, and overall experience with them. That is something that most people will do if they had the best experience with a product, and share that there is a sale.

    I made sure to NOT post anything stating that these switches are required, or that could be interpreted/misinterpreted as stating so. I just shared the sale, and gave a brief endorsement of how happy I am with them. TiVo used to be the dead-last device I'd use for Netflix or Hulu Plus. Since I found these switches, installed them, and turned on QoS on my router, TiVo is now at the top of the list. I see almost instant SuperHD, and no longer suffer reboots while using, or exiting Netflix.

    TCF, forgive me, for apparently I have sinned, by not being selfish, sharing a deal, and sharing my experience.
     
  18. aaronwt

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    Posting deals should always be good. I would think most people are interested in seeing when deals are available.
     
  19. slowbiscuit

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    Jeez man, you really need to grow a thicker skin. I was merely pointing out that for the same money you could get an 8-port switch instead of a 5 that would probably work just as well for 99% of the folks here. No need to go into yet another lengthy woe is me wail about how everyone hates you.
     
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    Yeah, I guess I'm still a bit edgy about what happened the last time I posted that NewEgg had them on sale, and got a bit "preachy" about how great they worked for me, and why I believed they worked so great...
     

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