Does 20.2 Make Upgrading to Premiere Worth It?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Thunderclap, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Thunderclap

    Thunderclap Member

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    I would love to see a Tivo App store at some point. As controlling as Apple is with their App Store there is something to be said about a concise experience on iProducts. Tivo approves apps that are listed, but its up to the developers to adhere to certain rules Tivo outlines: must be in HD, must have the Tivo UI, etc. That way its in the developers court to produce a good user experience. Tivo could then just have a small group to assist developers in making their app the best they can, and the rest of their staff could focus on the Tivo software.
     
  2. Sam Lowry

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    Though I am far from happy about how ridiculously long it's taking to finish the HD menus - I still can't figure why this wasn't the first thing done, I also agree that this update is a big step for improvements. My personal favorite is the much better customization of the "Discovery Bar". I hated that bar, but now I can easily accept its presence. When you turn off all items- it shows you other things that are currently on TV at that moment - very nice.

    I'm also waiting for Amazon Prime.
     
  3. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Please note that if you had lifetime service on the HD and transfer it (with fee) to the Premiere, it will remove it from your TiVo HD, and it will have little value anymore. You might already know this, but just wanted to make sure.

    I don't think there has EVER been new lifetime for $99 for a new box ... nowhere even close to that. You might be thinking of a service transfer?
     
  4. Thunderclap

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    I don't have lifetime with my HD; I'm paying $12.95 a month. And I've read in another thread that when someone called to cancel their HD service that they were offered a lifetime subscription on that unit for $99. That's what I was referring to.
     
  5. sonicboom

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    I've been a TiVo owner forever. I never had more then one at any given time though.

    I stuck with my series 3 up till now.

    When the premieres were launched, I was interested (wallet ready) until I realized what it was. Tivo overhyped it, and delivered a subpar product. Fans were hugely disappointed.

    The 20.2 update TO ME is a game changer. TiVo not only delivered much needed features (HDUI advancement, streaming, among others), but also have shown they are committed to the platform and are actively moving it forward.

    I bought two XLs with lifetime. Streaming from family room to bedroom is going to rock.

    I still don't have 20.2 yet (14.9 currently), But will have it soon enough. The promise is what sold me.

    Bravo TiVo!
    Keep the momentum going!
     
  6. sonicboom

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    I'm an Apple device junky (as many of you are). Using my iPad or iPhone to manage recordings across the two priemeres is frankly amazing. iMO It makes-up for the HDUI shortcomings (remember, I currently have 14.9).
     
  7. Jets

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    I called Amazon once to find out why videos that are free through my pc, are not on the Tivo premiere. During my conversation we discussed how lame the Tivo Amazon app is. THe Amazon rep claims that that is because of Tivo. Tivo decides how much functionality they want to provide. At least thats an Amazon reps side of the story.
     
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    You will quickly forget about it. That was one of my concerns. When I got my launch Premieres I had three of the S3 OLED boxes. Now I couldn't imagine going back to them. My GF has two of my old S3 boxes and I don't like using them with their SDUI.
     
  9. wmhjr

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    I would hold out. Like you, I was disappointed in the HD models even though I have 2. I bought an Elite in October, and was initially very very happy with it with the exception of the Amazon HD issues. It was quite fast, and seemed solid - though I prefer the SDUI. Since then, over the past 10 days it has become junk. Unreliable, spontaneous reboots, sluggish, doesn't respond to remote commands, etc. I have not gotten 20.2 yet.

    About a month ago I wrote that I would recommend the Elite at that time based on my experiences. Since then, I have to change my position. Based on the incredibly poor and unreliable performance of my Elite (which is IMHO massively overpriced for what it is) I would no longer in any circumstance recommend purchasing any Premiere Tivo. I sincerely wish I had not bought mine and were I able to return it for a refund, I would without a shadow of a doubt do so. My final experience with Tivo support tonight convinced me of the futility. My Elite is now simply an extra recording device that I no longer watch any content from. Instead, I copy content to one of my other Tivos.
     
  10. sonicboom

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    A nice feature indeed, but you'll get over losing it.
     
  11. Thunderclap

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    Tivo Premiere ordered with Lifetime Subscription, as well as a 2TB drive to replace the standard one. Should be up and running next week some time!
     
  12. wmhjr

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    I sure hope you have better luck. Mine is now a doorstop.
     
  13. rn701

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    I am wondering the same thing as the original poster. I was all excited about the Premier when it launched, but hearing about all the reboots and remotes locking up etc. I decided to wait. I kept my S3 for DVRing from cable and got a Roku for Amazon VOD (had to pretty much give up trying to download and watch Amazon VOD on the S3.)

    Just checked back in and I see there have been a couple of software updates, no complaints about remotes locking up (was that fixed) and that after two years they almost but not quite have a functioning HDUI. But now there are new reports of reboots and problems with Amazon VOD, etc. And still no DLNA.

    Seriously?

    What have they been doing? At least someone named "Margaret" appears to be actually communicating with users on Twitter.

    Is Tivo a hardware company or a software company, both, or neither?

    Their stock isn't doing all that great, and a lot (most?) of their revenues appear to be from lawsuit settlements and I read they are losing subscribers (nearly half?) and facing threats from google, apple and tv makers. Does this cause anyone else concerns about paying for lifetime service?

    Anyway, for you brave souls beta testing the Premier for them, is it time to upgrade or should I stick with my S3 as long as it still works?
     
  14. Thunderclap

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    I will be getting my Premiere tomorrow so depending on my work day I will have it up and running within a day or two. I'll report back with my impressions.
     
  15. dsnotgood

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    I have had zero problems with 2 premieres . Most issues are a little overblown or happen to a vocal minority . Check amazon for reviews and you see a lot of 5 stars and a good amount of 1 stars due to either improper installation by cable companies, wireless internet issues (Tons of lag in hd menus) .
     
  16. DocNo

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    Yup - I was cautious on mine, but so far it's worked flawlessly. I just forced a daily call and it took a long time to download (a good five minutes) so I'd say I'm getting 20.2 as we speak :)

    It will be interesting to see what it looks like. If it is as good as many are reporting, I'll probably cancel my HD and pick up another premier in a couple of months. Same thing with the S3...
     
  17. Thunderclap

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    I got my Premiere last night. I swapped out the drive with a 2TB and hooked it up. Still has the software v of 14.x, but I forced an update and there was one that took a looooong time to download. This may have been because I was also transferring all saved content from my Tivo HD. I had approx. probably 60-75 HD programs saved (a lot for my kids), so I figured I'd start it before bed and it would be done by the time I got up this morning. Heh. Nope. Eight hours later and maybe half had transferred. I also checked the software version and it still said 14.x, so I'm not sure if I did get the update and its not registering because the Tivo hasn't been restarted, or because it didn't get the 20.x update. I should know tonight.

    I also have to move the M-card over, and I hope that is a painless process. I'd rather not have to deal with Comcast.
     
  18. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    You can always check the screen where you manually try to force a call- if it says "pending restart", then it is waiting to reboot at 2am. or whatever, to start the install of a downloaded update.

    I learned the hard way- it might APPEAR to work by just moving it, but it is likely to lock you out of certain channels or cause other problems. The ID of the TiVo and the ID of the cable card have to match what the cable company has on record (it is a security thing, which is what cable cards are all about). You will at least have to call Comcast and have them re-pair the card, which does NOT requiring someone coming to your house (despite the fact that it seems like the majority of customer service reps think it does).
     
  19. Thunderclap

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    Migration to TiVo Premiere is done. Overall, it was painless. A few things to note on my expierience: copying my season passes from one TiVo to the other via the TiVo website, while it worked, rearranged all my shows. Because of this I had to manually change it back to its original order. It would have been nice if it preserved the original order, but if that isn't doable I would have liked to be able to change the numerical order by typing in its position (i.e. 1, 2, 3, etc.) and doing a final submit after. Dragging and dropping and waiting for the show position to update takes too much time.

    It would also be nice if transferring shows from one TiVo to the other was faster. The drive in my TiVo HD was a 320GB and had about 75 shows saved. To transfer these shows took approx 27 hours, far too long.

    I did end up having to call Comcast, but they were quick to update my account and the channels came through in under a minute once they were done on their end.

    I am also updated to 20.5 and I do see the sluggishness people are talking about. However, it's not so bad it's unusable and I welcome the HD menus. Once they get the response time up as well as the rest of the HD menus implemented I think it will be a truly enjoyable experience.

    So, the little time I've spent with the TiVo Premiere, I'm happy with it. It's also nice to be on a lifetime subscription so I don't have to worry about monthly payments anymore. Hurray for that.

    Finally, and this is based on other threads here and not my experience as of yet, getting Netflix updated to how it is on other devices, the Amazon VOD pixelation issue, Amazon Prime implementation (crossing my fingers here) and Comcast On Demand will make TiVo a truly amazing box. I hope they can pull it off.
     
  20. astrohip

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    One caveat: Season Passes that are transferred via the TiVo.com website often do not work. I xfr'ed about 70 SPs from an S3 to my Elite, and found that well over half of them did not work. They simply did not record new eps. They were in the Upcoming Episodes list, but no recording set. I had to delete the SP, and manually recreate it, to get them to work (at which point they worked flawlessly).

    It's not just me. There are a couple threads about this bug. There seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to why this happens, or which SPs work and don't work.

    Just a heads up!
     

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