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Documenting my Bolt Experiences...

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by clay.autery, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. clay.autery

    clay.autery Member

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    Thanks.... have you ever had the drives oriented on their sides or vertically for a sustained period?

    I wasn't around for the "eBay Scam".... hot/stolen devices?

    BoltPrime is an "All In"/Lifetime Bolt. BoltBack is a monthly, so far. I can't decide if I will keep BoltBack for a year or not.
    I've upgraded BOTH with 3TB Toshiba and 4TB WD drives respectively, and have the original drives stored away should they be needed.

    BoltBack and BoltDonor were purchased on eBay as "Parts Only" machines, both from July 2016 manufacture. They were returned to the store because they got caught in the database switchover and say they can't find Cable Providers for ANY zip code. I got one fixed. I will get the other fixed too.... eventually. I will likely resell one or both at some point. I was going to hack the case on one of the extras, but may not now that I have decided to simply go for a new or off-the-shelf chassis design to house BoltPrime and the 8TB WD Red drive.
     
  2. UCLABB

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    I might do that. Because my shelf is cramped, my Bolt's left edge sits on top of my TA so the Bolt sits at about a 20 degree angle. So I might just set it on it's edge.
     
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  3. clay.autery

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    I'm already drawing up a pedestal that will prevent tip-overs. Don't want to go around jarring those disk dirves and skipping those heads across platters. :eek:
    Should be able to print it on a 3D printer.

    There's a commercial wall mount out there, but it does not appear to space the device away from the wall enough and the bottom cleat appears to block a bunch of the inlet venting. I'm still going to pull the covers off and leave it open. That is still the lowest temp for me, and until I was able to compare HDD temps between horizontal (LSFI positions) and vertical, I wouldn't be comfortable doing it long term. It might help the processor stay at 52-54, but put the HDD much hotter/near limits. Not likely, but I hate unknowns.

    May go dig up one of my 4 fan controllers and use the thermistors to test it out...
     
  4. CIR-Engineering

    CIR-Engineering Video Calibration & Electronics Repair Engineer

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    Want to sell me one?

    craigr
     
  5. CIR-Engineering

    CIR-Engineering Video Calibration & Electronics Repair Engineer

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    Wish I had some more free time for fun ;-). Which is why in this part of the project I will live vicariously through you and await your findings!

    craigr
     
  6. clay.autery

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    LOL! I whole-heartedly understand and have been in your position before.

    I am actually thinking about skipping the whole "hacking on the Bolt case" part.... Where I...

    1) Hack a hole in the back of a case for a SATA cable pass-through. Rather, I think I'll simply hack up the Rosewill for the direct SATA connection and them plug it into the motherboard with case tops off. IF I can resurrect BoltDonor from the "No Provider...... your Zip Code" graveyard, I will sell it and make a little money.
    2) When I'm done with the 8TB upgrade, I can sell BoltBack for a little bit extra since it won't have any remaining obligation on it.
    3) Alternatively, I can sell the smaller 3TB Tosh and 4TB WD drives separately or perhaps as upgrades to the Bolt sales...

    I'm pairing down the project at this point to focus on a few things:

    1) Designing a 3D printable pedestal for the stock Bolt case to sit vertically, and perhaps a printable, vertical wall-mount that spaces it away from the wall a tad, and keeps the vents free.
    2) Packaging up full sets of Bolt fasteners to recover some of my investment. Had to buy a BUNCH to get what I needed. I now own a pile of every stock fastener in the box.
    3) Do the work/testing and finalize the removable heatsink mounting kit hardware, write the docs, and package up all the extras I have to recover some investment.
    4) While the above is happening, be working on the designing a new or retrofitting an off-the-shelf chassis. I'd design a printed one, but I think I want it to be metal.

    But tonight...... I need to get BoltDonor to download the 20.7.4.RC18 software so I can get it through Guided Setup!!! :)
     
  7. HerronScott

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    I'd love to see a picture of how you dealt with the extra cable on the XS-2 fan. I ended up positioning it on top of the drive but had to lose the 2 plastic clips routing the WiFi cable to the fan (well the hard drive thickness also played a part there) and still had some issues getting that section of the end case not to bulge.

    Scott
     
  8. aaronwt

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    I've already used them for spare parts. They aren't completely whole any more.
     
  9. aaronwt

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    I put a zip tie on the extra slack on my XS-2 fan. There was some open space that I tucked it into.

    Also the newer enclosures have a channel, under the hard drive, to route the wifi cable. My original Bolts did not have this channel. But the ones I got from the lifetime transfer did. So there was no need to use the plastic clips since I could route the wire through the channel.
     
  10. clay.autery

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    I'll try to remember to snap a photo of it today when I take the tops off again. But basically what I did is this:

    1) Fan is oriented with wire to frame entrance to the front immediately adjacent to the HDD connectors.
    2) Make sure the cable has no twists in it at all, just a smooth loop. Plug in.
    3) Hold the loop down flat over the HDD while you put the large top on. Try to allow the motherboard side of the loop to proceed to the front of the motherboard, going around the two alignment tabs on the top and then back out over the HDD.
    4) Now just carefully feed the cable back into the case from the front part of the loop and tuck it as best you can.
    5) Put second top on being sure it doesn't foul a clip.
    Basically, keep it out of the way and stuff it on after big top is on and hope you don't further restrict the flow too much. :(

    I will shorten the cable appropriately and remove the braided sleeve when I get the materials to make the 4-pin header tap.
     
  11. clay.autery

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    Yep, mine too.... I haven't paid a lot of attention to this since I don't plan to keep the HDD or WiFi/BLE adapter in the case in the long-term. But I'll look at it today maybe.
     
  12. HerronScott

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    I had tried a zip tie (I think based on your post) but it added to the bulk. Can't recall if I kept it or not now.

    I need to pull the drive and run wdidle3 on it now that I know it works on the Blue 2TB drive so I'll check for the channel (mine was part of the lifetime transfer deal as well). I wasn't too concerned about not having the clips since the cable naturally stays roughly in place.

    Scott
     
  13. HerronScott

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    Thanks, I'll compare this when I take it apart to do the wdidle3. I seem to recall that my fan cable is not oriented on the front toward the HDD connectors (I thought there was some interference that way versus out the right side).

    Scott
     
  14. aaronwt

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    I used one of the tiny zip ties, that are very short and narrow. And with a tiny head so it didn't stick out from the bundle of wire.
     
  15. CIR-Engineering

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    What BLUE drive do you have? If it was made in 2016 wdidle3 may or may not work. If it was made 2017 or newer it most likely will not work. Western Digital took away the ability for wdidle3 to change parking on their 3.5" drives around mid 2016. However, I am not positive they did this on their 2.5" drives as well.

    WD did this a few months after they dropped their GREEN branding and made the BLUE drives into GREEN's. The new BLUE drives are identical in every way to the old GREEN drives including factory firmware and their settings. The only thing different is that they made it so we couldn't change the parking time anymore. Really there is no physical difference between RED, GREEN, or BLUE, just the firmware's are set differently. The GREEN's have been dropped, the BLUE's are now GREEN's with parking permanently set at 8 seconds, and the RED's are the same drive with parking set to 5 minutes and TLER enabled.

    I had an argument with WD on their forum about this and they deny it, but I am positive the only reason they stopped wdidle3 from working anymore is because RED / GREEN / BLUE are all exactly the same hardware, and WD just doesn't want people to be able to buy BLUE / GREEN drives to run in a NAS or other application that needs higher head parking times. The BLUE / GREEN cost half as much and disabling parking basically made them into RED's. I hate corporate marketing and greed like this. I see no reason why a person shouldn't be able to buy a BLUE drive and then do what they want with it. WD says it was designed specifically for it's application... blablabla...

    Who knows, I haven't worked with enough 2.5" BLUE drives to know, but maybe wdidle3 still works on all 2.5" drives. WD claims it has not worked on any drive for more than 10 years, but I had been using it on all their drives until they disabled it mid 2016. They say I am wrong, but I have litterally changed parking times on hundreds of drives pre-2017.

    craigr
     
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  16. CIR-Engineering

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    I attached wdidle3 2.0.0.1 to this post. It's impossible to find and WD will not admit it even exists. It works on some newer drives. On some newer drives it can read the parking, but can't change the setting. On many new drives it can't even read the timer though.

    Best,
    craigr
     

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  17. clay.autery

    clay.autery Member

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    Thank you, sir! I really appreciate it!
     
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    It's the WD20NPVZ. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the manufacturer date (it was purchased in November 2017) from Seatech through Amazon.

    Scott
     
  20. Doc Holiday

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    I have had my Bolt, Speedy, sitting on a single fan variable speed laptop cooler at min speed for the last 14 months (Lepa Lepad V17 - discontinued). I also have the noiseblocker fan installed. Keeps ODT in the low to mid 50's and the skin temperature of the case is ever so slightly warmish to the hand.
     

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