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Documenting my Bolt Experiences...

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by clay.autery, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. Feb 8, 2018 #61 of 135
    clay.autery

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    And the "AS IS" STORE RETURN ITEM. UNTESTED. No return at all." Bolt I bought off eBay is up and running.

    I'm sure it was a store return because it was experiencing the dreaded "No Providers for your Zip Code.... Please try a different Zip Code" loop. Here are my details one of the two main threads on this issue:

    No providers / channels in given zip code, first-time Guided Setup

    FINALLY got it working and activation in progress. So, I can swap the cases out tomorrow and get busy. I'm inclined to put my 4TB Seagate in the backup machine FIRST, so I can copy over the recordings and 1Ps from the OEM 500GB drive. That way I'll only have to do a few updates when it's time to pul the OEM drive and put it up for storage. As I understand it, should I ever need to put the 500GB drive back in after swapping it out, it will get wiped on return to the machine.

    Time for sleep! :)
     
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  2. Feb 8, 2018 #62 of 135
    clay.autery

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    OK.... Backup Box activated "Monthly, with a 1 year commitment".

    TiVo said previous owner only had it activated for 3 days, so the 1 yr remains.
    I explained that it was essentially a dead box that would have ended up in the garbage had I not brought it back to life from the "No Providers" problem.
    They agreed. But they said the system won't allow a code change to "Monthly, WITHOUT commitment". BUT the CSR Supervisor agreed to put a case# and notes on my account to WAIVE ANY FEES associated with changes in service plans to include cancellation before the initial year elapses.

    Yea! <just in case I need this box for longer than 30 days>
     
  3. Feb 8, 2018 #63 of 135
    clay.autery

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    TRANSFERRING RECORDINGS:

    OK, used TiVo Online to successfully copy my OnePasses from the Primary (Hydra) Bolt machine to the Backup (20.7.4.RC18) Bolt machine.

    But I cannot get any recordings to transfer.... And yes, I set the preferences for both boxes to allow "Video Sharing" (and video downloads for good measure). Reconnected to TiVo service on BOTH machines.

    Questions:

    1) Do the machines HAVE to have the SAME software version in order to transfer recordings from Bolt to Bolt? If so, can it be Hydra OR 20.7.4.RC18, or does it have to be the old software on both? Or the NEW Hydra on both?

    2) Do the machines have to be cold rebooted after the Preferences setting change and TiVo Service reconnection?

    3) Any other ideas why I can't transfer my recordings from Bolt to Bolt using TiVo Online?


    I just need this to work! And I want it settled before we acquire too many more recordings!
     
  4. Feb 8, 2018 #64 of 135
    JoeKustra

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    In SI, the TiVo To Go: should be a,a,a,a.

    Since you could transfer the 1P, are the recordings allowed to be transferred? Some cable feeds copy protect non-premium content. Does TiVo Online show both guides and My Shows? No, software is not at fault. I transferred 320GB from my classic UI to my Hydra box and back.

    What happens when you try to transfer? Just saying "it doesn't work" is not much to go on.

    I keep forgetting this is new for you. Did you hit transfer twice? That box that pops up should just be labeled "Click Transfer to Start". ;)
     
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  5. Feb 8, 2018 #65 of 135
    clay.autery

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    SI TiVoToGo: a,a,a,a on BOTH machines.

    Yes, recordings on Primary (Hydra) are "allowed" to transfer. Have the check box AND I can download them to PC with kmttg. Yes, USA channel disables transfer entirely.

    Yes, TiVo Online shows both Guide and My Shows.... and I can switch boxes in the upper right corner "Box: <bolt name>" IAW I can see both Guide and My Shows for BOTH boxes.

    So.... you have transferred from Classic to a Hydra AND from a Hydra to a Classic? Bolt? You're on Roamios right? Wonder if it's different for Bolts? Shouldn't be.... although there are differing software extensions for different machines. pyTiVo can't push (or see) either of my Bolts, either. :(

    Apologize for the ambiguous description of the process I see... I believe I have been following the process to its conclusion.

    I can select the recordings. I can select the other TivO Bolt to transfer to...
    Hit the Transfer button
    Transfer Window pops up....

    "Your recording(s) are being transferred to Man Cave. You can check the status on the To Do List.
    Note: Transferring may take some time. While transfers are in progress, do not delete the original recordings from your My Shows list."

    Click "Transfer Recordings"

    Transfer Window goes away....

    Goes back to parent window with video(s) still selected.... and NOTHING else happens.
     
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  6. Feb 8, 2018 #66 of 135
    JoeKustra

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    PyTiVo and other similar TTG programs do not work with Hydra at this time. There have been no other posts indicating TiVo Online fails to transfer when a Bolt is used. But things change. Sorry.
     
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  7. Feb 8, 2018 #67 of 135
    JoeKustra

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    On the classic TiVo, check two things. First is History. Anything? Next check Network Settings, Network Troubleshooting, Transfer History. Anything there?

    On Hydra History is called Recording Activity. There is no ability to see transfer history.

    The program should appear in the My Shows of the destination within five seconds. When it works.
     
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  8. Feb 8, 2018 #68 of 135
    clay.autery

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    Thanks Joe.... Got it working....

    It took 3 cold reboots, with a Tivo Service Reconnect after each.
    All downloading as I type!

    Yea! Let the hacking begin!
     
  9. Feb 8, 2018 #69 of 135
    JoeKustra

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    Curb your enthusiasm. :cool:

    What's the transfer rate? With a basic Roamio I get 93+ Mbps.
     
  10. Feb 8, 2018 #70 of 135
    clay.autery

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    Transfers already complete and SWMBO is watching on the main TV, but I'll do another test in a bit.

    How/where do you get your transfer rate? (Sorry, I'm not at liberty to hunt for it right now..... 50/50 that I can't check on a Bolt.)
     
  11. Feb 8, 2018 #71 of 135
    JoeKustra

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    On the classic UI: Network Settings, Network Troubleshooting, Transfer History. It doesn't survive a restart.
     
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  12. Feb 8, 2018 #72 of 135
    clay.autery

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    337.1 Mbps = 42.1375 MB/s

    1Gbps switch on the router.
     
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  13. Feb 8, 2018 #73 of 135
    aaronwt

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    I've seen transfer rates average 500Mb/s throughput, with 20GB+ size recordings. But to have any chance of getting those speeds, it needs to be in standby with no tuners buffering and no recordings being made..
     
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  14. Feb 8, 2018 #74 of 135
    clay.autery

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    The 337.1 Mbps I quoted was set with both machines online, and 2 or 3 tuners in use... One being watched in LR, one via the Mini, and one recording. I'll do another one sometime when SWMBO is at work or something. :)

    [EDIT] 02/09/2018 - Rechecked the transfer with 6 x 30 minute shows, both machines rebooted, no recording tuners, and on standby, mini on standby. Only thing I didn't do is reboot the switch/router and disconnect my laptop.

    440.0 Mbps That my OCD self knows that "aaronwt" has done 500 Mbps makes me want to figure out WHY I can't. I hope I can resist the time-suck of such a task. ;)
     
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  15. Feb 9, 2018 #75 of 135
    clay.autery

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    Disk Swapping Related: "Zero Writing a disk/drive to prepare/repair it for use in a TiVo Bolt or other device"

    Hope you find this useful and informative. Please click "Like" if you do so I will know whether to continue investing time in writing these little tutorials. Thanks! :)


    WARNING: THIS PROCEDURE WILL DESTROY ALL INFORMATION ON THE SELECTED DRIVE. MISTAKENLY CHOOSING YOUR BOOT DRIVE/PARTITION WILL MAKE YOUR COMPUTER FAIL TO BOOT.

    I've seen references where folks talk about "low-level" formatting disks, zero writing, et al., disks that either have a problem or to prevent possible issues in the TiVo Bolt being able to recognize and format the drive successfully. MOST folks talk about putting the drive into their desktop/tower. A lot of us, even we mostly retired IS/IT types, no longer have anything beyond a laptop (at best). And most laptops won't even accept a 15mm thick 2.5" drive. Here is a solution.

    IF you have a Windows (in my case v10) machine or boot option, you can use DISKPART to zero-write (aka: wipe) the drive clean sufficient for TiVo duty. As long as you can connect your drive to your computer via USB (preferably USB3.0+), the following procedure should work. I use the little USB 3.0 circuit card/connector from the Seagate Backup Plus I shucked for its 4TB drive and a longer matching USB 3.0 cable I bought to go with it, though the OEM cable will work.

    Use the Windows "Disk Management" console to identify the "drive number" of the drive with which you want to work, and most importantly your BOOT DRIVE NUMBER, so you can make danged sure you do NOTHING to modify it AT ALL.

    There is a "fork" in the following procedure that I choose in order to have a "progress indication" to know approximately how much longer before this LONG process completes.

    1) Search for "cmd". Right Click on the entry in the list and Choose "Run as Administrator", or otherwise open an "elevated privileges" Command Prompt, to include logging in as Administrator (not recommended for security reasons).

    2) Type DISKPART, at the command prompt. When you see the "DISKPART>" prompt, proceed to next step.

    3) Type LIST DISK (In MY case, 2 drives.... Disk 0 (WINDOWS BOOT), Drive 1 (drive I want to work on)

    4) Type SELECT DISK "x" ("Disk x is now the selected disk." Replace "x", to match the disk number of the disk/drive with which you need to work)

    5) Type LIST DISK (Optional verification step. There will be an "*" in front of the "selected" disk. If it is NOT the disk you want it to be, fix it!!! <--- WARNING)

    6) FORK: (Two ways to go here depending on whether you need to see a progress indicator. It takes about an hour per 320GB of Windows calculated drive size)

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    6(a)(1) Type CLEAN ALL (This will initiate an ALL sector wipe of the hard drive with NO PROGRESS INDICATOR. When "DISKPART>" prompt reappears, proceed.

    6(a)(2) Type LIST DISK (If the "Size" and "Free" numbers are equal, you are ready to "USB eject" the disk, and put it in your TiVo. Example: "Disk 1 Online 2794 GB 2794 GB")
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    Second option gives you a progress indication to completion but requires additional steps. This is the method I choose to use.
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    6(b)(1) Type CLEAN (INIT/BOOT section wipe. Will complete very quickly. (Optionally Type LIST DISK to verify "Size" and "Free" are same size.)

    6(b)(2) Type CREATE PART PRIMARY (Creates a primary partition on selected drive. (Optional: LIST DISK, LIST PART, or LIST VOL to verify partition created AND the "*" is marking the disk/part/volume selected. IF it is NOT, use SELECT DISK "x" to get back on the right disk. IF you follow directions, all these scary warnings will be moot!)

    6(b)(3) Type FORMAT FS=NTFS (FS=NTFS is optional, but I use it anyway. The default is 99.99% likely to be NTFS, and windows is smart enough to pick a GPT capable filesystem. If you want to know about how long it is going to take to finish, divide the reported "Size" in one of the LIST DISK commands by 320GB/hr to get the approximate number of hours to format. In my case it is 2794GB/320GB/hr = 8.73125 hours. This will initiate a FULL format where ALL sectors are zero written. Do NOT use the "QUICK" option. When "DISKPART>" prompt reappears, proceed.)

    6(b)(4) Type LIST DISK (Optional verification step. There will be an "*" in front of the "selected" disk. If it is NOT the disk you want it to be, fix it!!! <--- WARNING)

    6(b)(5) Type CLEAN (This executes a quick wipe of the INIT/BOOT sectors on your freshly fully zero-writen HDD.

    6(b)(6) Type LIST DISK (If the "Size" and "Free" numbers are equal, you are ready to "USB eject" the disk, and put it in your TiVo. Example: "Disk 1 Online 2794 GB 2794 GB")

    7) Type EXIT to exit DISKPART to return to the Command Prompt.

    8) Type EXIT to exit the Command Prompt window. (Or Red "X" the window, but I consider that a bad habit.)


    NOTE 1: IF in DISKPART you ever see your object (DISK, VOLUME, VOLUME) listed as "offline", issue the "ONLINE" command from the "DISKPART>" prompt and verify its return to "online" status prior to working on the object.

    NOTE 2: IF you are fastidious about following directions/procedures, you can omit the "optional" steps and pair this procedure down. I don't happen to think it is worth the minimal time savings when I am futzing about with a tool that can WIPE MY BOOT DRIVE CLEAN IN FIVE SECONDS!!! Your decision. I will be triple careful!!!

    Have a great day! :)
     
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  16. Feb 10, 2018 #76 of 135
    ggieseke

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    I like to use the write zeros test in WD's Data Lifeguard Diagnostics. It's a lot easier than diskpart and you can see the serial number of the drive.
     
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  17. Feb 10, 2018 #77 of 135
    clay.autery

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    Well, there you go. Never occurred to me that the WD DLD wasn't vendor specific. Running it on a Tosh drive right now.
    At least I got a DISKPART review and some command line time. Sometimes I wax nostalgic for the command line days. ;)

    Thanks!
     
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  18. Feb 10, 2018 #78 of 135
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    Backup Bolt Hard Disk Drive Replacement

    OK, with the backup Bolt (BoltBack) up and running, I moved on to replacing the disk drive to increase the storage capacity and frankly just for the practice using the tools and procedures.

    Pretty uneventful really...

    1) Removed 500GB drive with antenna wire clips left in place.
    2) Removed SATA/PWR connector from OEM drive and put it in place on the Seagate 4TB drive. (no mount bracket yet)
    3) Plugged HDD pwr and data cables in and set disk drive in place next to motherboard.
    4) Booted BoltBack up to "Country Screen".
    5) Pulled power plug from back of unit.
    6) Attached 4TB drive to laptop using USB connector and wire mentioned in Post #75 above.
    7) Ran mfsr.exe with right-click, "Run as Administrator", and reformatted the drive.
    8) USB ejected and disconnected drive when it was finished.
    9) Installed Noiseblocker BlackSilentFan XS-2 in place of OEM fan, connected temporarily to OEM 2-pin header.
    10) Mounted drive in bracket, put SATA interface back on it, installed and re-assembled BolBack fully, sans screws. (Left those out to aid disassembly later until all finished).

    Booted machine up, completed Guided Setup, and machine is working perfectly with 640 HD hour capacity advertised.

    Fan on OE 2-pin power header has dropped idle temperature of the box from 54° C to 49° C fully assembled. Will post back once the materials arrive to build the inline tap to power the fan from the HDD 4-pin header's 12vdc rail.

    NOTE: I "prepared" the drive using the "B" option of the DISKPART procedure in Post #75 above prior to first installation. Not required, but I've decided this will be part of my standard procedure prior to placing ANY drive into TiVo service to remove drive condition from troubleshooting consideration if a problem arises. Alternatively, I may begin using WD's DLD if it works successfully in my testing.

    Posting this at the top of the thread in one of the "reserved" posts.
     
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  19. Feb 10, 2018 #79 of 135
    clay.autery

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    WiFi Adapter Related:

    Considering trying out one of the Roamio version VOX remotes that come with the Bluetooth dongle. If it works, I can remove the wireless card and antennas, and still have VOX capability. I'm becoming concerned that the Bolt's WiFi adapter, even not being used is interfering with my Router's WiFi some 12 inches away and may be vulnerable to attack since I have no way to monitor or control it.
     
  20. Feb 10, 2018 #80 of 135
    CIR-Engineering

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    In my unRAID server, I have six WD 3TB GREEN drives, six WD 4TB GREEN Drives three WD 5TB GREEN drives, and four WD 8TB RED drives. I disabled parking on all the GREEN drives as soon as I got them. I only switched from to RED because the newer BLUE drives do not allow parking to be disabled. The 3TB drives have been continuously operational for more than five years and only one has failed. None of the other drives have failed.

    I have a 2TB WD GREEN drive with parking disabled in my TiVo Premiere and it has been running solid for three years.

    I would go with regular RED drives if I were buying now. In fact, I just put an 8TB RED in my Roamio last week.

    The BOLT has a 4TB 2.5" WD BLUE WD40NPZZ in it. This is the second one as the first failed at just over 2500 hours. I thought that parking could not be disabled on the WD40NPZZ, but it turns out that it can so on this second drive I did not make the same mistake and I have disabled parking. Hopefully it holds up, but I have more confidence in the 3.5" drives be they GREEN or RED (or early BLUE with parking disableable).

    craigr
     
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