Doctor Who: Wedding of River Song (US OAD 10/1)

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  1. Oct 2, 2011 #1 of 83
    sonnik

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    I liked this.

    Clever reveal of the "question that's been right in front of you"...

    Also a little sad for longtime viewers when the Doctor heard of the death of an old friend...

    Didn't quite catch if "Fall of the 11th" is referring to the 11th regeneration, but I'm assuming that's what it is.
     
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    The Tessalecta as the cheat wasn't all that clever, but I loved how they revealed it.

    Overall I loved it, but I wish I could learn more about The Silence's origins...
     
  3. Oct 2, 2011 #3 of 83
    Unbeliever

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    Hmm, both theories were right. A doppelgänger but not a 'ganger.

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  4. Oct 2, 2011 #4 of 83
    matt@thehickmans

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    Very clever. The Doctor lies. Steven Moffat is playing with paradoxes again.
     
  5. Oct 2, 2011 #5 of 83
    vertigo235

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    As soon as the doctor met with the tessalecta at the beginning I knew that was how he would fake his death. "a machine that can be anyone" or so many words.

    But I'm disappointed that all other tessalecta interactions made it seem robotic an lifeless but when the doctor was using it, of course it was fluid and convincing.
     
  6. Oct 2, 2011 #6 of 83
    LoadStar

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    I am a bit surprised. I expected the name of the episode to be a red herring, but it doesn't appear that was the case; it seemed that they really did get married.

    When Moffatt worked into the show the suggestion that the Doctor whispered his name to River, it sort of seemed like he was toying/taunting with the fans, since it was the fans who theorized that's what River whispered back to the Doctor in the Library. Of course, since that's NOT what he whispered to her... we still don't necessarily know what she whispered back to him.

    It is interesting that he's finally working the title of the show into the plot of the show... after almost 50 years. I bet that "the question" will be brought up, but remain unanswered throughout the next series (2012-2013) so that they can answer it in a big 50th anniversary special episode.

    Plus, how did it appear to be regenerating when it got shot?
     
  7. Oct 2, 2011 #7 of 83
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That was my exact thought...after 50 years, they finally explain the title of the show! :D

    I just hope the answer isn't 42...
     
  8. Oct 2, 2011 #8 of 83
    pgogborn

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    River Song told Amy that she didn't really kill Madame Kovarian in cold blood because that was in an aborted time line.

    They didn't really get married because that also was in the aborted time line. Also the binding of hands is a part of the ceremony and River Song was tied to a robot.


    Perhaps they will get married for real and he will tell her then. Or perhaps she will be present in the fields of Trenzalore

    The Tesselator constructed a motor bike in Germany - a few special effects should be within its capabilities.
     
  9. Oct 2, 2011 #9 of 83
    danterner

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    I think I need to rewatch this, and maybe other episodes as well. I enjoyed it, but I'm not sure I understood it.

    So the Doctor's name (or identity) is the answer that will cause silence to fall? This all makes me think of Arthur C Clarke's (Hugo-winning and pretty well known) short story "The Nine Billion Names of God" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Anyone else see the similarities?
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    No, his name is the question. It's the answer to the question that will doom all space and time.
     
  11. LoadStar

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    No, the question is "Doctor Who?" That's not his name, nor necessarily is his name the answer to that question. The answer to to that question, whatever it is, will cause "silence to fall."
     
  12. matt@thehickmans

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    And Amy said that she remembered it, so it happened.

    How else can Amy Pond remain the Doctor's mother-in-law?
     
  13. LoadStar

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    Plus, it sure sounded at the end like the Doctor was going to continue to enjoy conjugal visits with River.... ;)
     
  14. pgogborn

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    In an aborted time line in a world that never was.

    Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey

    River Song is travelling the Doctor's time line backwards. She married him for real in the future in a time line that wasn't aborted.

    In the scene where River Song said she was the Doctor's wife she has just climbed out of the Byzantium.
     
  15. matt@thehickmans

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    What makes it aborted? Just because River described it that way? The premise is that time stopped when there was a paradox at a set point. This happened during the time stoppage. So it could not be a timeline. Also events flowed from this stoppage into the timeline that turned out to be the one the show follows.

    Besides, aborted timelines is just a convenient storytelling convention. It makes things less complex for the author and the audience to deal. If you accept that alternate timelines could be started, there is no logical reason that once a timeline is started that it would ever end. Once you abandon it, it just becomes inaccessible, making it easier to think of it as nonexistent.
     
  16. pgogborn

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    River - conceived in the Time Vortex, can regenerate, can fly the TARDIS better than the Doctor, also travels through time using a Time Vortex Manipulator.

    She could be lying, but she is better qualified as an expert witness than most people.
     
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    Don't feed the pterodactyls.

    They really need a better makeup department when the Doctor is scraggly and skanky. His mustache and beard look terrible.

    I hope the Doctor's name remains a secret forever. Unless it's "J".
     
  18. Rob Helmerichs

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    They're vermin.
     
  19. JohnB1000

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    I'm not sure I was satisfied by this. I haven't really enjoyed any of the season finale's in the new Who, it seems like they try to wrap up too much too fast. The whole concept of "telling a story while in the alternate timeline" was kind of cheap. The Tesalector (sp?) was rather predictable given the "previously on". Don't get me wrong I like it but it left me wanting more.

    I loved the way he marked his arm, it took me a little while to figure that out, the death by a thousand skulls was scary and at times it was terribly exciting. But I felt slightly let down by the reveal and how fast it happened (a common complaint this season). It's kind of like telling us that the whole season was really for nothing.

    On a separate note, do you think they'll ever have any of the old style multi doctor's stories in new Who ?

    I believe the Doctor's name is "cheesesteak" :)
     
  20. danterner

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    Well, he does have a doctorate in cheese making...

    It'd be oddly appropriate for his name to be Cosmo.
     

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