Doctor Who "The Time of the Doctor" 12/25/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by JohnB1000, Dec 25, 2013.

  1. Jan 2, 2014 #161 of 204
    JohnB1000

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    I haven't watched any Eccleston eps for years but I found him to be quite wooden at the time (I always find him to be wooden even though I quite like him). I liked Tennant and never expected Smith to best him but I found Smith to be way better. I think it's partly because the stories were, overall, much better with a longer thread to them. There was some real crap in amongst the great Tennant eps.
     
  2. Jan 2, 2014 #162 of 204
    Rob Helmerichs

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    And I think Tennant was a bit of a lightweight, although he was helped by the material.

    I suspect if Tennant had had Smith's material to work with and vice versa, people's opinions of them would be very different (to Smith's benefit and Tennant's detriment). Then again, I get the impression that the people who love Tennant's performance aren't entirely thinking about his acting. ;)

    Eccleston was fine, and had a lot of potential. But the show hadn't really gelled yet...I think if he'd stayed, and gotten along better with Davies, he could have turned into the best of the first three. But, of course, he didn't.
     
  3. Jan 2, 2014 #163 of 204
    Lori

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    I liked Eccleston very much, and was apprehensive about this goofy guy in the tight suit. But he won me over. By "New Earth", I was hooked.

    For me, it was obvious that Tennant loved every minute of what he was doing. The joy that accompanied his performance was palpable, and more than a little intoxicating. I was just dragged along on the joy train, as it were. :)
     
  4. Jan 2, 2014 #164 of 204
    busyba

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    I wonder if your issues with Tennant couldn't be the result of his having had a much longer tenure than the other two, and with such a larger body of work it's easier to find specific items with which to find fault.
     
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    Johncv

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    I enjoy seeing Matt Smith and David Tennant together, wish they done this more often. As for Capaldi I will take a wait and see what happen.
     
  6. Jan 2, 2014 #166 of 204
    Johncv

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    No
     
  7. Jan 2, 2014 #167 of 204
    Johncv

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    That my point "adequate" will not retain rating. Still think that the majority of viewer will be on the "dislike" side and not "warm up" to him as they did with the other Doctors. Will take a wait and see what happen.
     
  8. Jan 2, 2014 #168 of 204
    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, not really. For one thing, he wasn't the Doctor that much longer than Smith (3 season plus the Year of Specials, as opposed to three seasons). For another, I always felt that way about him.

    I think he was just lucky to A) have a very engaging personality, and B) have a very good relationship to his producer, who was very good at shaping the show around him. Smith and Moffat didn't seem to have that same kind of chemistry.

    E.g., I never really bought Tennant as a 900-year-old. But Smith really sold it. And there were times when Tennant was supposed to be a godlike wrathful creature, but he just seemed like, well, David Tennant putting on a hissy fit. I always thought Smith was better at conveying the breadth of the character.

    And don't get me wrong, Tennant was very good...I never said to myself, "Well, this guy is ruining the show." He did a perfectly fine job. I just think Smith did a lot more with a lot less. And although I preferred both Eccleston and Smith to Tennant in terms of their performances, I think Tennant had overall the best run. Although the Moffat-Smith years at their best were superior (there were flashes of brilliance that Davies & Tennant could only dream of), there were also some pretty deep structural flaws that revealed themselves more and more over time.
     
  9. Jan 2, 2014 #169 of 204
    scandia101

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    If he doesn't retain ratings, he wouldn't be adequate for the job, so I guess you're just wrong on that point.
     
  10. Jan 2, 2014 #170 of 204
    danterner

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    For me the best combo was Tennant as Doctor, Moffat as writer, and Davies as show runner. (Eg episodes like The Girl in the Fireplace, Silence in the Library, Forest of the Dead, Blink (though that last wasn't really much of a Tennant episode)).
     
  11. Jan 2, 2014 #171 of 204
    JETarpon

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    It wasn't, but I can't really picture that same episode with Smith on the DVDs.
     
  12. Jan 2, 2014 #172 of 204
    Dawghows

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    I generally find myself pretty well aligned with Rob in the Now Playing threads, but I couldn't disagree more with his assessment of Tennant vs. Smith.

    Like Rob, I enjoyed them both. But it seems almost laughable to me that anyone would feel that Smith "sold" the 900-year old aspect better than Tennant. For me, Smith did little more than clown his way through his tenure. I'll grant that Tennant was not exactly weighty in the part, but Smith was positively bubbly pretty much throughout.

    I do totally agree about Eccleston, however. If he'd stuck it out for another series or two, I imagine he would have been my favorite of the three.

    Can't wait to see what Capaldi has to offer.
     
  13. Jan 3, 2014 #173 of 204
    JohnB1000

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    See what I thought was that Smith was amazing at appearing to clown around but at the same time showing a really deep pain and longing. Then when pain and longing was required it was all the more powerful because we were used to him clowning around.

    Seeing them together really confirmed for me that Tennant didn't seem to have the gravitas that, in a weird and backward way, I feel like Smith did.
     
  14. Jan 3, 2014 #174 of 204
    Anubys

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    I so agree with this...she is absolutely adorable but those black leggings are awful...they have got to go!
     
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    TonyD79

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    It is the consensus of people I talk to (in person) about Doctor Who is exactly that Matt Smith played him with an old man inside. Perhaps you are not actually watching but watching how a lot of us watch tv these days. Distracted. It is in the looks and side glances. Often very subtle but also well done. That is acting. Smith always seemed otherworldly to me as well. More than Tennant but less than eccleston, who was the most alien of the three. Tennant was good but he seemed the most "normal" guy.
     
  16. Jan 4, 2014 #176 of 204
    Anubys

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    I don't know why, but all I could think about reading this post is the movie airplane! (2)

    Simon: Gentlemen, I'd like you to meet your captain, Captain Oveur.
    Clarence Oveur: Gentlemen, welcome aboard.
    Simon: Captain, your navigator, Mr. Unger, and your first officer, Mr. Dunn.
    Clarence Oveur: Unger.
    Unger: Oveur.
    Dunn: Oveur.
    Clarence Oveur: Dunn. Gentlemen, let's get to work.
    Simon: Unger, didn't you serve under Oveur in the Air Force?
    Unger: Not directly. Technically, Dunn was under Oveur and I was under Dunn.
    Dunn: Yep.
    Simon: So, Dunn, you were under Oveur and over Unger.
    Unger: Yep.
    Clarence Oveur: That's right. Dunn was over Unger and I was over Dunn.
    Unger: So, you see, both Dunn and I were under Oveur, even though I was under Dunn.
    Clarence Oveur: Dunn was over Unger, and I was over Dunn.
     
  17. Jan 4, 2014 #177 of 204
    Dawghows

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    I'm not distracted. I just disagree.

    Edited to clarify: I don't disagree that Smith is a good actor. He may even be a better actor than Tennant, for all I know. I just simply never felt any real weight in his performance as the Doctor. I think he was fun, unique, and enjoyable. I just didn't find him to be...rich, or deep.
     
  18. Jan 4, 2014 #178 of 204
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Funny, that's more how I felt about Tennant. But definitely not Smith.
     
  19. Jan 4, 2014 #179 of 204
    Dawghows

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    Sometimes it seems like other people think completely differently than me....
     
  20. Jan 4, 2014 #180 of 204
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, it's weird. Sometimes, I know what's what, and everybody else is just plain wrong. :D
     

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