Doctor Who "The Rebel Flesh" May 21, 2011

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  1. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Remember, they kept making a point that the gangers *were* the people as well. They were identical with all the memories. The philosophical argument being "what is a person?"
     
  2. pgogborn

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    Good point.

    Arcane aside. There is one way in which they are not identical. The shoes. I think that could turn out to be significant.
     
  3. hapdrastic

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    There was some talk in this episode about the Flesh being "older technology" (or something to that effect) and implying, heavily, that the Doctor was familiar with them. I'm thinking maybe this is the origin story for the Autons (you remember them - plastic people - Rory was one for a couple thousand years).
     
  4. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    He did say it was an early form of the technology. I'm not sure how it could be an origin story for the Autons, though, since the Autons are chronologically one of the oldest races in the whoniverse: They existed in the "Dark Times" with the Racnoss, Great Vampires and Carrionites. Wasn't this episode set in the 23rd century, or thereabout? I suppose they could somehow wind up sent back in time...
     
  5. Idearat

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    Regarding the regeneration attempt in the first episode. In The Doctor's Daughter, she was created from a DNA scan. She regenerated. So while it's not conclusive, the attempted regeneration probably shouldn't "prove" that it was the actual doctor as we've seen a copy be able to regenerate in past.
     
  6. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    I'll have to go back and rewatch The Doctor's Daughter. I remember thinking, at the time, that she didn't regenerate: her lifeless body simply benefited from The Source breathing life back into the planet. As the planet was terraformed she was brought back to life by the Source right along with the rest of the dead planet (isn’t that kind of what happened to Spock, come to think of it?). It was a bit confusing because the glowing terraforming mist of The Source did look a lot like the regeneration lightshow. Hers would be an unusual regeneration, if it was a regeneration, because:

    1. She was dead first. When the Doctor has regenerated in the past, he has always been still alive at that point, right?
    2. She kept the same physical form as she had previously.

    Then again, there was dialog in the episode that certainly made it sound like the Doctor thought her regenerating could be a possibility:

     
  7. Idearat

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    I'd forgotten about The Source and only had in my mind that she'd regenerated. I looked around and seems there's a bit of debate on the subject. This video takes a good look at it.

     
  8. robojerk

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    That's a good video....

    However, just because the special effects look different/same I wouldn't read too much into it. Not sure if the special effects company has remained the same, or if all the directors/show runners asked for was "energy emitting from the body/mouth" during these scenes.

    I think we're at the mercy of the show runner Moffat, to explain what is going on with this arc.

    If Moffat never brings Jenny back than maybe a future show runner will, what happened to her was left unanswered.
     
  9. JohnB1000

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