Doctor Who - S12 E05 - "Fugitive of the Judoon" - 01/26/2020

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  1. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Standard issue warning: no glancing at the thread if you haven't watched the episode yet, spoilers will abound.

    ...and not just about the Judoon Platoon near the Lagoon.....

    Right now I'll just say this.... I enjoyed it. And clearly someone got the message about episodes with no external or past links being dull...

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  2. TonyD79

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    Or lacking a story arc.
     
  3. kdmorse

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    And even the plot irrelevant bits, were just lots more fun than in other episodes. Seriously, everyone looked like they were engaged and having fun (which hasn't really been in the case in other episodes), and it made a *big* difference.

    The old woman standing up to the Judoon, the Judoon incinerating her 'weapon', Ryan telling the Judoon off (badly). Doctor: "Look at you... and you're Platoon of Judoon near.... ... that Lagoon!", "actually, it's more of a Canal" - followed by a frustrated look. The cake that said "You Can Do Better". Failing to negotiate a delay with the Judoon, the fact that the Judoon have a 'final warning missile'... "All rainbows and trousers that don't reach...." All fun...

    Plot wise... Err, somebody's got some splaining to do!
     
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  4. TonyD79

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    “Everything we were told was a lie.”
     
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  5. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    Previously, in last week's Doctor Who thread...
    You were saying, kdmorse? ;) :D
     
  6. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I'm quite happy to be wrong. ;)

    I'm curious, was the extent of my wrongness public knowledge at the time of the conversation?
     
  7. TonyD79

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    Uh. Yes. But not so much wrong as out of date. It was last season’s philosophy but they did say they were returning to the show’s roots before this series started. It wasn’t obvious they meant this much but they did talk about bringing back old monsters, etc.
     
  8. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    I really liked this one.
     
  9. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    JACK!
     
  10. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    I liked Doctor Ruth's TARDIS design a lot more than the current one. Makes me wonder if she's some kind of anomaly from the Tom Baker era of the Doctor's lives.
     
  11. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

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    This is more like it!
     
  12. dtle

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    So finally a time-traveling show is embracing "current" trends of the multiverse?
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Could be. Or it could be a "lost era" of the Doctor (like the Time War)...one that she (currently) doesn't remember.
     
  14. pgogborn

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    I think the Doctor Ruth is a far more authoritative/convincing Doctor than the Short Doctor.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    Every time somebody says "Doctor Ruth," I can't but think of...
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  16. Craigbob

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    Holy crap!!!!

    Now that was a hell of a ride. One of the best episodes in a long time. Capt. Jack!!!! Another Doctor (without a sonic screwdriver WTF...)! Another Timelord (well for a short time anyway). This one flipped the season on it's ear.

    One (well quite a few actually) question, why did Gat think that two Timelords from different timelines/frames couldn't occupy the same one? We've been seeing that for a long time now with the doctor meeting himself multiple times and even the Master doing it. Why is it an abomination?

    I can't wait for the rest of the season now.
     
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  17. Shakhari

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    Well, this one was certainly timey wimey ...
     
  18. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I have to say, that was very, very, *very* well done. The set, the outfit, the mannerisms, the interaction, all fit in so well you had no problem at all believing she was The Doctor. Jo Martin did a *spectacular* job. I did not immediately think 'Doctor' when the memory thingy on the wall was activated, because it didn't look like a chameleon arch memory holder that we've seen before. But then there was a smile in the wardobe room, and as she stepped out in her outfit, yup, that's another Doctor... (Ok, the colored neckline made it a bit obvious). I'd say again, very well done.

    From a timeline point of view, they've got some explaining to do. I mean, I'm sure the people that spend their days updating every Doctor Who wiki page in existence after every episode are having a fit trying to figure out where she fits in. (I certainly want to know)

    And it's always fun to see Jack again. I'm glad they started out with just his voice so we could figure it out before he appeared, and I'm glad I hadn't read anything and didn't know it was going to happen, it was a wonderful suprise. I wish they had had time for more of him. I hope he shows up again. Although I can't imagine how much makeup work it took to make him appear somewhat less aged than he is reality. We know he ages in this universe, we would have accepted him with his natural white hair (whatever they put on his head looked anything but natural).


    * and insert standard issue rant about whomever is cropping/reframing the episodes. I've given up on the TV airings they're mangled so badly.
     
  19. tomhorsley

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    Don't get me wrong, I liked it, but two Doctors and neither one of them thought of alternate universes even though the Doctor left Rose in one?
     
  20. pgogborn

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    I did not spot it until the actual reveal but the writers did provide an early clue. her full name was Ruth Clayton.

    Rob Helmerichs has already mentioned the fame of Doctor Ruth. Doctor Clayton is also famous.



    However I do take some obnoxiously smug satisfaction from thinking from the first appearance of the Judoon Ruth was the fugitive they were looking for.
     

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