Doctor Who "Dinosaurs On A Spaceship" 9/8/2012

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  1. Sep 11, 2012 #81 of 111
    Dawghows

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    BBC has a poll asking whether or not people agree with the Doctor's decision regarding Solomon:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0
    Scroll down the page a bit.
     
  2. Sep 11, 2012 #82 of 111
    Church AV Guy

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    Dinosaurs on a Space Ship had the same number of commercial breaks as Asylum of the Daleks, and when the commercials were removed, it was the same length. There are always five commercial breaks in Doctor Who, Dinosaurs was no different.

    I never saw any indication that the Doctor contrained Solomon to say on his ship. He very clearly told him that he intended to release the magnetic lock, and let the missiles destroy Solomon's ship to save the arc. Since everything that Solomon had was on that ship, and it was going to be destroyed, I thought he elected to stay with his stuff. He was all about money after all. I just didn't see the doctor as forcing him to say, so he could have left had he chosen to do so. He stayed, knowing that it meant certain death--with all his stuff.
     
  3. Sep 11, 2012 #83 of 111
    nirisahn

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    But when did Solomon have a chance to leave? The Doctor told him what he was doing, dropped the green rock, stepped off the ship, let the doors close, and released the lock. At what point (once he understood what the Doctor was up to) did he have a chance to leave?
     
  4. Sep 11, 2012 #84 of 111
    busyba

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    I think he could have teleported, no?
     
  5. Sep 11, 2012 #85 of 111
    nirisahn

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    Interesting point. I wonder if the Silurian ship's teleporters would still have worked inside Solomon's ship?
     
  6. Sep 11, 2012 #86 of 111
    vertigo235

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    Well it worked for the doctor. That's how he got there.
     
  7. Sep 11, 2012 #87 of 111
    Fl_Gulfer

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    Since he killed the guy in the future is he really dead?
     
  8. Sep 11, 2012 #88 of 111
    secondclaw

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    Well the teleporter controls were on the Silurian ship, not on Solomon's ship. I am not sure if he would have been able to teleport out - there may be no way to activate the teleport from inside his own ship. I presume that's why Doctor teleported in, then walked out (though granted I didn't pay attention to that part).

    Also, wasn't Doctor actually trying to save other evil-doers? Two come to mind - Saturnyne queen from 'Vampires of Venice' and the Adipose nurse ... I suppose their motive was different, but still ...
     
  9. Sep 11, 2012 #89 of 111
    vertigo235

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    The Doctor is emotional, and anyone is capable of anything, I'm totally OK with how he handled this. Makes him more beleivable IMO.

    He's not Superman.

    This obviously would have been out of character for Superman.
     
  10. Sep 11, 2012 #90 of 111
    ADent

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    Don't forget Rory's Dad played Peterson on Red Drawf - and was in some of those Harry Potter movies. Didn't catch any references to RD though.
     
  11. Sep 12, 2012 #91 of 111
    nirisahn

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    Solomon was also from the Harry Potter movies. Two in one show!
     
  12. Sep 12, 2012 #92 of 111
    Church AV Guy

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    He never even asked to go with the Doctor. If he had said, "I don't want to die here, take me with you," or "Let me off this ship before you release it," I feel sure the Doctor would have allowed him to leave/live. He said something like, he belileved that Doctor would never allow him to die, and when it became clear, because the Doctor said it, that Solomon's ship was going to be destroyed whether he stayed or left, it was his decision to stay on board. All he had to do was ask, but he was too proud of too sure of himself to do so.

    The Doctor was really disgusted with Solomon for the genocide of the Silurians. His wounding Rory's dad, and his killing of the dinosaur, both just to secure the Doctor's unwilling cooperation, pushed him pretty far too. I'm sure the Doctor's sympathies were being suppressed by his outrage. Even so, had Solomon asked, I believe he would have survived.
     
  13. Sep 12, 2012 #93 of 111
    pgogborn

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    The judgement of Soloman was so far out of the Doctor's normal protocols I am wondering if he is going to reappear in a future episode.

    But I think it is more likely that it is Steven Moffat changing things for no good reason (in my opinion).
     
  14. Sep 12, 2012 #94 of 111
    TonyD79

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    There was plenty of time for Solomon to get up and go. He offered the Doctor a bribe instead. Then the Doctor asked if the Silurians had begged. Total time Solomon had to get started to leave: 32 seconds. And he was able to stand and move.

    The Doctor telling him what he was going to do WAS the option he gave him.

    And for the nth time. This is NOT new.
     
  15. Sep 12, 2012 #95 of 111
    robojerk

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    The Doctor kills people all the time, it's just what happens when you time travel and put yourself in situations like these. I always saw the doctor hating guns because he knows how many people have died because of him and he doesn't want to be in a situation where he does something rash with something like a gun.

    And no, I do not think he was planning on saving Solomon, I think things went down just as the Doctor intended them to.
     
  16. Sep 12, 2012 #96 of 111
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    Next week's episode appears to have a pretty big RD reference.
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    I saw a tiny reference to RD in "Asylum of The Daleks" when the puppet that found Amy introduced her & the Doctor to the rest of his crew (RD ep "Kryten")
     
  17. Sep 12, 2012 #97 of 111
    tgrim1

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    The first thing I thought when I seen Solomon was, "Damn, that"s Charlie!"

    (Bonus points for the reference!)
     
  18. Sep 12, 2012 #98 of 111
    Church AV Guy

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    Maybe so, but it has certainly promped a lively discussion. That one single event has been at the center of most of this thread. I doubt that was the intent, but it most certainly was the result.:D
     
  19. Sep 12, 2012 #99 of 111
    Church AV Guy

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    The pole results (so far) are:

    ...the Doctor was right to leave him there! 54.1%
    ...the Doctor should have saved him. 27.1%
    I’m undecided! 18.8%

    I guess most people think he got what he deserved, for a fictional character in a fictional show.
     
  20. sonnik

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    I know that the current showrunner has said he wasn't likely to dig too far back into the "Classic" era...

    But for about 5 seconds, I thought Solomon (before his identity was fully revealed) was going to turn out to be Sabalom Glitz. Sabalom was in a similar line of work, but was msotly a good guy.
     

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