Doctor Who "Dinosaurs On A Spaceship" 9/8/2012

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  1. Sep 9, 2012 #41 of 111
    secondclaw

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    That makes no sense. Solomon was unarmed, without his robots, harmless lying on the floor. He was no longer asked to surrender or save himself in any way. What happened before is irrelevant, he was disarmed and rendered harmless and was no longer a threat.
    This is akin to a cop asking an armed gunman to surrender, then after successfully disarming the gunman shoot him dead - for what - that he didn't surrender when he was asked?
    I think the reason this is being discussed so much here is because it is so jarring and out of character.
     
  2. Sep 9, 2012 #42 of 111
    TonyD79

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    Really? Harmless? Unarmed? No longer a threat? You know that?

    He was also able to leave. He didn't even try.

    Twice in a year a few years back, police here fired dozens of times on men armed only with a single knife who were not immediate harm to anyone. Many many shots were fired after the men died. One was naked so they could tell he had no other weapons. In neither case was the man within 100 feet of anyone. One was 100 yards. The result? Nothing. So your example is not a slam dunk. The Doctor has no idea that a man who was waging war against him was unarmed or harmless. Nor did the man surrender. Nor did the Doctor capture him. He had no more control over Solomon than he did 15 minutes earlier. Or even three when he pulled a hidden weapon on the queen.

    I've watched the Doctor for 40 years. Not out of character. He made a judgement. He saw no redemption in Solomon.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2012 #43 of 111
    murgatroyd

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    Yes, let's take Snakes in a plane, stir in Jurassic Park, only set it on a spaceship. With Nefertiti, and Hack and Slash from ReBoot. And a sort of Harry Mudd character from Star Trek, only he's nasty instead of a charming scoundrel. And while we're at it, let's throw in a nod to 2001. Oh, and while the big game hunter obviously comes from Jurassic Park, the flash of the big knife means there's also a whiff of Crocodile Dundee in there.

    I'm almost afraid to watch the episode again, to see what other movie references I missed on the first go.

    Stargate SG-1 was much better at doing references to other movies and TV shows than this.
     
  4. Sep 9, 2012 #44 of 111
    secondclaw

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    I can only use information that was shown in the episode. And Solomon's entire power was in using his two robots, and they were disabled. Remember also he had a leg injury and had to use crutches, and we don't know how long he had before the ship flew out. Is there anything shown in the episode that indicates he was still a threat?

    What should have happened was the ship fly out on its own to attract the missiles, while Solomon is turned over by the Doctor to the Indian defense force that launched these missiles.

    Granted I only watched the show since 2005, so i don't know all the history, but this has been fairly uncharacteristic to me. The only thing i can consider is that BBC cut something from the episode that may have indicated Solomon's continued threat.
     
  5. Sep 9, 2012 #45 of 111
    eddyj

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    The guy had just admitted he murdered the whole ship's crew in cold blood. That is why he died.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2012 #46 of 111
    TonyD79

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    The Indian defense? He same people who didn't give a damn what was on the ship in the first place. They have no jurisdiction over crimes committed on a space ship. They only cared about defending the earth from catastrophic events.

    Solomon was a mass murderer who was still threatening. Sorry that the Doctor didn't take the time to pat him down. Just when did you expect him to do that with misses approaching.

    The Doctor would be a fool to assume he was not a threat AND had no way to contain him. A man who committed genocide because the race he killed wouldn't sell him dinosaurs. Who showed zero sign of conscience.

    The Doctor, as he had before, judged him and found him guilty. This was an execution, not a murder. And nowhere near the first. Even since 2005. Tell me again what the Racnoss children did to be killed by the Doctor. In a method that he would have continued the process well beyond their deaths except that Donna stopped him.

    The real issue is a misunderstanding of the Doctor and the paradoxes he brings.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2012 #47 of 111
    Gunnyman

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    Wow the things we fight about.
    I liked this episode. A LOT. Probably one of my favorite Matt Smith episodes.
     
  8. Sep 9, 2012 #48 of 111
    Amnesia

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    ...in the future...
     
  9. Sep 9, 2012 #49 of 111
    phox_mulder

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    Yes, in space where there isn't a legal authority around to punish him.

    The Doctor, the closest thing to a legal authority, sentenced him to death for his crimes.

    That's how I took it.

    On another note, I for one am growing weary of Amy and Rory, get a move on and introduce the new companion already.


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  10. Sep 9, 2012 #50 of 111
    morac

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    I also enjoyed last week's episode more and the special effects for the dinosaurs reminded me of SciFi's movie of the week (I.e. bad), which is odd since the effects are usually pretty good on Dr. Who. I guess they can't do dinosaurs.

    Speaking of which, there was a "ask a Whovian" segment last year asking what monster should the Doctor face and a bunch of people said a T-Rex or dinosaur. I guess someone decided that was a good idea. It's like the title of dinosaurs are a spaceship was written first followed by the plot (hence my snakes on a plane comment).
     
  11. Sep 9, 2012 #51 of 111
    morac

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    Since when did the Doctor become Judge Dredd? ;)
     
  12. Sep 9, 2012 #52 of 111
    LoadStar

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    I'm not tired of Amy and Rory yet, but I am tired of them being dropped off at home at the end of every adventure, only to be picked up right away for the next one (even if "right away" from Amy and Rory's perspective is several months).
     
  13. Sep 9, 2012 #53 of 111
    busyba

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    I liked the dynamic they had going on with Amy after Rory, Daddy and the Doctor teleported away. It was like she was the Doctor and the queen and hunter were her companions.
     
  14. Sep 9, 2012 #54 of 111
    LoadStar

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    To expand: the Doctor is being quite cruel to Amy in particular, and Rory by extension. The Doctor knows that Amy is "the girl who waited," and will always BE "the girl who waited." He knows that no matter how long, as soon as he drops in, she'll be there waiting to go with him again, and the rest of her life - her career and her marriage to Rory - will go on waiting. And Rory? He will always wait on Amy, no matter for how long, just as he did while waiting for Amy to get out of the Pandorica.

    I'm not tired of Amy and Rory, as I said, but I don't like the Doctor taking advantage of Amy and Rory like this, coming back after however long and just scooping them up without even ASKING if they want to come along, and not caring that Amy has put everything else on hold for the Doctor. If anything, that's why we need a new companion, so everyone is able to move on with their lives.
     
  15. Sep 9, 2012 #55 of 111
    phox_mulder

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    Yes, not so much tired of the characters, just tired of the way they are written in, or out.

    Yet another annoyance, last nights BBCA airing seemed to have too many commercial breaks.
    I think I'm going to get it by other means and compare the two, maybe use BBCA as a backup to the magical means.

    Last weeks premiere didn't have an annoying amount of breaks like last night did.

    BBCA does have one thing going for it, Closed Captioning for the British Accent Impaired, magical means don't easily have them.


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  16. Sep 10, 2012 #56 of 111
    JETarpon

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    Me too. I laughed loudly at that, and then had to explain why to my children.
     
  17. Sep 10, 2012 #57 of 111
    cheesesteak

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    I just got around to reading Sepinwall's review of this episode. This was one of the readers' comments:
    Do people really behave this way to a tv show?
     
  18. Sep 10, 2012 #58 of 111
    aaronwt

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    Doctor WHO FX special effects have always been campy looking. This episode was no different.


    They always look like low budget FX compared to other shows on TV.
     
  19. Sep 10, 2012 #59 of 111
    dianebrat

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    yes.. when I heard the title and then saw the initial clips with The Doctor exclaiming "dinosaurs on a spaceship" I let out a huge inner "squee!" and when Solomon shot the triceratops, I got all misty.

    So yeah, I bought into it
     
  20. Sep 10, 2012 #60 of 111
    Dawghows

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    In relation to the Doctor's actions against Solomon:
    I've only been watching since 2005, so I don't have the history that some of you do, but in recent seasons there have been several episodes where different characters (or the Doctor himself) have talked about what a bad man he (the Doctor) is. My first thought after he set the missiles onto Solomon was that maybe they are trying to write him as a darker character.

    (For the record, I don't have any problem with the Doctor's actions on any kind of moral grounds. I do think it was tonally jarring in relation to the rest of the episode, and I wonder if people would be having the same reaction to Solomon's execution if it had taken place in an overall darker-themed episode.)
     

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