Doctor Who "Dinosaurs On A Spaceship" 9/8/2012

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  1. Sep 9, 2012 #21 of 111
    eddyj

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    I LOLed at that, and my son then wanted to know what was so funny.
     
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    morac

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    True, but he did make an offer, well ultimatum, to the Racnoss queen to move her and children to another planet. She refused.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2012 #23 of 111
    scandia101

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    According to whos's definition? what jurisdiction?
     
  4. Sep 9, 2012 #24 of 111
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Loved Mitchell & Webb as the Robots, but at first I thought they were Moss & Roy from The IT Crowd.
     
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    TonyD79

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    I hope you are joking.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2012 #26 of 111
    TonyD79

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    Yes. A high point. Thanks for posting that.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2012 #27 of 111
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    How many Daleks did the Doctor kill last week?
     
  8. Sep 9, 2012 #28 of 111
    TonyD79

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    He made several offers to Solomon. Or only the one within seconds counts?
     
  9. Sep 9, 2012 #29 of 111
    morac

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    According to the legal definition, in the U.S.
     
  10. Sep 9, 2012 #30 of 111
    TonyD79

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    Another example. The Doctor kills a lot. Always has. It seems folks are upset because this was a human. That is what this is coming down to. Not killing per se.

    Anyway, murder is a legal thing. No law where he was. In fact, as a member of UNIT, he could be considered the law in this situation.

    Can we talk instead about how off the episode was? This murder discussion is actually kind of dumb as thus is not the first time the Doctor killed someone.
     
  11. Sep 9, 2012 #31 of 111
    morac

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    Technically one and it was in self defense. Granted others did get blown up as well. Still that was all in self defense.

    If someone is attacking you and you kill them that's self defense. Of someone is attacking you and incapacitate them and then shoot them, that is murder.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2012 #32 of 111
    TonyD79

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    That was in the U.S.? Wow. Jingo much?
     
  13. Sep 9, 2012 #33 of 111
    Rob Helmerichs

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    And yet again, all of those definitions involve directly killing somebody, not merely setting in motion a chain of events that leads to a death.
     
  14. Sep 9, 2012 #34 of 111
    TonyD79

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    Bull. He pushed the Dalek into the crowd of Daleks to KILL them. They were nowhere near him.

    Solomon threatened over and over verbally and physically to kill him and his friends.
     
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    TonyD79

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    And do not pertain to killings on a Silurian spaceship miles away from Earth targeted by Indian missiles.

    American arrogance. The Shadow Proclamation allows for immediate execution. See, I watch the show and understand that our laws are not everyone's.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2012 #36 of 111
    morac

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    I don't remember the Doctor stating that Solomon should give up or else. Also like I just posted, there's also timing involved. At the time the time the Doctor acted Solomon wasn't a threat to anyone as his robots had been disabled. Even in war, shooting an unarmed enemy combatant (one that gives up) can result in charges or war crimes.
     
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    morac

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    That your posting this means you don't get it. The Doctor kills a lot, I agree, but almost always because there's no other choice and many times not even then (for example he wouldn't wipe out the Sontarans in The Poison Sky). The Doctor almost never kills enemies that have surrendered. In fact I can't think of another example.

    As for the episode itself, I didn't really find it that good. It was almost as absurd as Snakes on a Plane, which is what this almost seemed to be partially based on.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2012 #38 of 111
    morac

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    No, you can be charged with murder even if you don't directly kill someone and that's mentioned in the link I posted. For example, if you are the getaway driver in a robbery and your partner kills someone, you can be charged with murder. People can and have also been charged with murder for inaction.

    That's way outside the scope of this discussion though.
     
  19. Sep 9, 2012 #39 of 111
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    I have no moral problem with what The Doctor did based on what we saw earlier in the episode. It wasn't really necessary though since he'd prevented the smaller ship from leaving and he was capable of extracting Nefi without much fuss. As the missiles were homing in on the crystal he could easily have taken the TARDIS out into space and just tossed the crystal out the door. (assuming the teleporter wasn't capable of just sending it outside )

    While lots of people complained about last weeks episode, I thought it was OK. This one I wasn't fond of. Several of the interactions with the dinos looked like Jurassic Park jokes to me. The cast of companions also seemed pretty haphazard. It was very distracting to see the bad guy played by David Bradley. Maybe if they made him look less like Argus Filch from the Harry Potter films it wouldn't have been so bad, but I kept expecting him to have a cat.

    I'd agree that it's hard to figure out what they're doing with Amelia and Rory, but I'll watch Karen Gillan do or say anything so I can't complain too much.

    One chuckle I did get though was that the Indian Space Agency was the Earth organization that noticed the ship approaching and fired the missiles. By coincidence (?) this morning the ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) launched their 100th mission, putting 2 satellites in orbit. It was hard to read that today without thinking of this episode.
     
  20. Sep 9, 2012 #40 of 111
    TonyD79

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    Solomon didn't surrender. He was given lots of chances. Only the one that says "you are going to die" counts?

    You don't get it. How many chances are enough?

    And when did the Racnoss children get to surrender?
     

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