Doctor Who - Death in Heaven (OAD 11/8/2014)

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  1. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006


    The only cool feature of this episode was replacing Capaldi's eyes with Clara's in the opening sequence!
  2. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 29, 2001
    Germantown, MD
    They also listed her name first in the opening. Which would have been neat, if I hadn't 30ss'd over it the first time watching.
  3. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I like Capaldi as The Doctor but this was an entirely forgettable season. Not bad, just eh. The only significant memorable events were The Doctor's regeneration and Clara's exit.

    I HATE what they've done to The Master in the reboot. It's like they've tried to make him/her into their version of The Joker, but only sillier.

    I feel bad for Danny Pink. He was mistreated by both Clara and The Doctor. He should have been a blues musician so he could write songs about how they both did him wrong.

    I tried to wrap my head around where the metal came from in the Cyberman transformations but quickly gave up.

    I have a crappy memory so I was like "Who the heck are these people?" when Osgood and the Brigadier's daughter showed up. It took a litlle while for the recollection to kick in. It wasn't cool that Osgood was killed so flippantly but she was exceeding dumb in her final scene with Missy.
  4. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Count me in with those who think Stevan Moffat has been promoted above his leval of competence.

    I can grudgingly accept his has taken chracters and stories in directions I do not enjoy.

    What I find difficult is that I have repeatedly had to download the subtitles and read after broadcast to understand what he intends the characters and stories to be.
  5. KenDC

    KenDC Huggy Bear

    Jun 18, 2001


    I can't remember but were characters able to negotiate with Cybermen in past episodes? I didn't see where Clara should have been able to delay her death as long as she did. I though they had always been killing machines before. Maybe I am misremembering?
  6. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Rory in Demons Run.
  7. Shakhari

    Shakhari Well-Known Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    There seems to be a bit of a continuity problem here too. If Danny Pink is dead, how could there ever be an Orson Pink whose family had been involved in time travel?
  8. ihatecable

    ihatecable Crazy Collies

    Apr 16, 2003
    Long Island,NY
    I was thinking the same thing! Did Danny ever mention if he had a brother? Orson Pink could be his nephew instead of his son.
  9. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    One of the problems I have with Moffat's story arcs is that he does fully conclude/explain them at the end of the season.

    And having seen interviews not directly connected with Doctor Who episodes I have long thought Moffat is a bully made worst by becoming showrunner.

    The article touches on what I feel about the death of Osgood - it was more about a nasty streak in Moffat than good story telling.
  10. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

    Jul 24, 2001
    Milwaukee, WI
    There's some fan hypothesis that Clara is pregnant. One of the post-its on the bookcase in the last episode was "3 months," and some people are guessing that is how far along she is. Seems a bit unlikely to me but you never know.
  11. robojerk

    robojerk Well-Known Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Laguna Hills CA
    Time can be re-written..
    So shes either pregnant now, or The Masters influence on the time line has changed things. She could also appear maybe in a one and done episode in the future, going back in time and having an encounter with Pink.
    So believe what you want IMO.
  12. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    Let's remember that she was calling him with big news when he was run over.
  13. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    One of the yellow sticky notes Clara was looking at to remind herself what to say to Danny said Three Months - she could be three months pregnant.

    In a previous season with Cybermen there was Mickey and Rickey played by the same actor. The real explanation was Mickey had entered a parallel universe but a character also suggested that their father had a bicycle. Clara is already tasked with taking the Afghan child home. Perhaps a child of Danny will go looking for him and find her.

    In the first episode of the season the Doctor was treated with caution in case he was a "duplicate". The Whoniverse is stuffed with clones and timely wimey stuff.

    Personally I hope the Christmas Special will not offer a 'logical' explanation - but I fear it will.

    Edit Composing while LoadStar posting
  14. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

    Jan 5, 2002
    Berkeley CA
    After watching Moffat as show-runner, I have a new appreciation for the streak of anti-intellectualism that infested the Athenians in the Classical period. It's easier to see now why someone would be suspect if they were clever merely for the sake of being clever.

    I believe the phrase in Britain is "too clever by half"?
  15. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Yep, in British idiom that is a high level insult.
  16. ThePennyDropped

    ThePennyDropped Now I get it. TCF Club

    Jul 5, 2006
    Northeast US
    Actually, Osgood's death did serve the greater good of the story. It convinced the viewers that recurring characters were not immune to being killed off, so when Kate fell out of the airplane, we viewers expected her to die and were surprised when she turned up alive and well thanks to her cyber dad.

    But boy did Moffat do Osgood wrong by writing her as stupid enough to get that close to Missy.
  17. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Although, her getting that close didn't actually contribute to the outcome at all. It only let Missy add some style points to her homicidal rampage.
  18. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Another way I would put it is "less is more".

    I think Osgood being pulverised distracted from the big story, the redemption of Danny.
  19. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    It did?
  20. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

    Oct 20, 2007
    MN, greater...
    And what's up with those guards behind Missy? They had plenty of time to react to Missy getting free and do something about it, but they just stood there doing nothing until Missy was already right behind Osgood. Acting like they didn't know how to handle the situation would have been more believable than the nothing they did.

    And if you look again, the cuffs were in Osgood's pocket even before she approached Missy.

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