Do I need a land line for Tivo updates?

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  1. bebw

    bebw Member

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    Do I need a land line for Tivo updates? I have a land line now but thinking of switching to all cable, phone and internet. Thanks!:confused:
     
  2. WhiskeyTango

    WhiskeyTango New Member

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    You can use the internet but you'll need to get the USB adapter for your unit.
     
  3. rdodolak

    rdodolak Member

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    You can also use the TiVo's LAN port to connect it to a router or a wireless bridge.
     
  4. bebw

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    My Phillips and Sony no longer work so it is the Humax I bought in 2006. Should I check somewhere to see if I have that capability before arrange for sure to cut off the phone service??
     
  5. bebw

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    I'll get out my instructions and see if there is a LAN port on mine. I wouldn't know by just looking at it!!
     
  6. bebw

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    Okay, I see the USB port in the back. So that needs to be connected to my computer, right?

    I'm trying to figure because then my Tivo will need to be next to my computer since I don't use wireless...afraid of the radiation...!...I know it's "everywhere", but it's not in my house at least or not as much.
     
  7. rdodolak

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    Oops, sorry didn't see you had Series 1 and 2 TiVo units. More than likely they won't have them. However, if you'll be getting your phone service through your cable company then they should be able to provide you with separate base units. This way you can hook up your Tivo to your phone line. Also, there may be an option to plug the voice modem into an existing phone jack so that it will energize all the wired phone jacks in your house. I'd recommend checking with the provider to see if they have a way to activate/use all of the existing wired phone jacks in the house.
     
  8. bebw

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    I'll ask the cable provider about activating the phone jacks for sure. Good idea! Thanks
     
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  10. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    No. You'd connect it to a network adapter (USB port on one side, Ethernet jack on the other). You have to find one that the TiVo will support... I use an Xterasys XN-121 for this, but it's probably no longer available. The Linksys USB200M used to be sort of the standard, but it's fragile.

    Don't be stupid.

    You're better off with a wired connection anyway, but that's because it's more stable and faster.
     
  11. bebw

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  12. bebw

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    What I'm trying to figure out is will I have to locate my Tivo near my computer to get updates via internet since I don't use wireless device...just assuming that's not stupid for a moment!!!:mad:
     
  13. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    If you're getting telephone service from your cable company, then they will tie it in to your existing phone line. Just leave the Tivo where it is and let it keep connecting over the phone line.
     
  14. bebw

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    Wasn't thinking about cable telephone service but maybe. I might be a reason to get it.
     
  15. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    No, it's not like a modem. And like I said, the computer is not involved in any way.

    This is what your network should look like with Cable Internet:

    Code:
         |
         | coax in
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    +-------------+
    | cable modem |
    +-------------+
          | 
          | cat5*
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    +-------------+
    |   router *  |
    +-------------+
        |     |
        |     | cat5
        |     |       +----------+
        |     +-------| computer |
        |             +----------+
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        | cat5
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    +----------------------+
    | USB/Ethernet adapter |
    +----------------------+
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           | USB
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       +------+
       | TiVo |
       +------+
    
    * router and cable modem could be same device
    
    And yes, the router will probably be one of those ones that put out those evil WiFi signals, but don't worry -- you can disable that part. :rolleyes:
     
  16. rdodolak

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    You're TiVo doesn't necessarily have to be near your computer or router. Depending on your situation you may have one or more options:

    1) Continue connecting via phone line. This is probably your cheapest option and should be no additional cost. The cable company should activate all existing household jacks when they come out to do the install.

    2) You can use a USB to Ethernet adapter such as the one found on this page:

    http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-networking-parts.php

    However, to make use of that adapter either:
    a) your house must be wired for Ethernet and you must have an Ethernet port nearby (very unlikely) or ​
    b) you use a wireless bridge to connect to a wireless router (you've already stated you don't want to use wireless) or ​
    c) your TiVo is within reach of a router that is connected to your internet cable modem. (Assumes you already have a router otherwise this will be an additional cost)​

    3) You can use a product like the HomePlug Powerline (found via the link previously provided) to use existing outlets for wired networking. First, you'd plug one HomePlug into an outlet near your TiVo, plug a USB-to-Ethernet adapter into the USB port of your TiVo, and connect an Ethernet cable from the HomePlug to the adapter. Then you'd plug another HomePlug into an existing outlet near your internet router and connect the HomePlug and router via another Ethernet cable. Most cable modems usually only have one LAN (Ethernet) port. Therefore, if your computer is already connected to this port you'd need a router too. Then you'd connect your computer and the HomePlug to the router and the router to the cable modem.


    I wouldn't worry too much about RF exposure from wireless technology. Do you use wireless phones? If so, you're being exposed to similar RF signals. However, simply put even if you don't use wireless in your home external RF signals from outside the home can easily penetrate the walls thus you're being exposed anyway (to include RF signals from your neighbors' wireless devices).
     
  17. unitron

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    I live where we get hurricanes and like having a buried phone line that is powered by the phone company even if the electricity is out and none of the cell phone towers are working, so I'm biased.

    How much is your land line costing you per month?
     
  18. classicsat

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    Barb, your TiVo is a computer of sorts. The USB-Ethernet adapter provides the TiVo with an Ethernet LAN port you can connect to your home network. For that, you need to run an Ethernet cable from where your TiVo is, to where your Internet modem is. Where your modem is, you install a router (you can get ones which are wired only), which lets your computer, TiVo, and other things seamlessly share the modem and Internet connection.

    For your Series 1s, if the cable phone does not work for their calls, you do serial PPP (which involves running wire to your PC), or install a network adapter inside your TiVos.

    Unitron, the cable phone box they install has a battery backup, and probably much of the infrastructure which supports it is also backed up by batteries or standby generator.
     
  19. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    It's been my experience in the past that when a major weather event knocks out the power to the extent that it's restored in a matter of days and not hours, cable cannot be relied upon to be functioning the entire time either, but regular telephone service suffers considerably less disruption.
     
  20. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    Per her sig, her Series 1s are dead.
     

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