DIY 10TB Roamio

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  1. jmbach

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    If you are starting out with a drive larger than 4TB, you have to clone not copy the drive via a duplicating dock or via software like dd in Linux or HDD Raw copy in Windows.
     
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    Virtualbox is free.
     
  3. Johnny Danger

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    Great to hear that the price has come down in the last 20 years.

    So as far as copying over that 8TB expanded TIVO drive to the 14TB blank hard drive using MFSTools V 3.32 with th USB linux drive.

    1. Would you use the "Copy" function (TiVo drive to a new drive.) or another command?

    The end result I am trying to get is a 14TB drive on the TIVO Bolt. I am starting from scratch, I don't need to copy any shows over, just trying to get the larger hard drive space.

    Thanks.
     
  4. jmbach

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    You can use the Linux dd command on the MFSTools ISO to do the copy. You cannot use mfscopy as the image on the drive is over 4 TB. It would be much easier using a cloning dock and then expand the drive with MFSTools.
     
  5. tommage1

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    So just curious, what if he started with a 4TB (put it in the Bolt, let it format, then use MFSR to get it to 4TB). Then could use mfscopy to copy the 4TB to the 14 and do 5 adds? Or no? if not the dock for the 8 to 14 would be easiest/fastest I think, only thing I don't like about a dock is no feedback, if any errors you won't know it. And have to make sure the dock can handle those size drives, if a dock is rated to handle 8TB could you still clone an 8TB to a 14TB since only 8TB (the limit) is being cloned? Many cloning docks I've seen are rated 8-10TB max though have not looked into them for about a year.
     
  6. jmbach

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    If it is a 4TB image then you can use mfscopy to the new drive.

    I have an old dock that is rated for 4TB drives that works just fine with 12 TB drives. The thing to do is test the dock. Put a large drive in there and do a full read and write and read.
     
  7. Johnny Danger

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    I did it on an 8TB hard drive but I am sure I could find a 4TB laying around the house if I had to or if that would make this process easier.

    As for the different types of docks, I have these drives connected directly to my motherboard using the SATA connection.

    So would the dock type be irrelavent at this point or are you referring to the external docking system to connect to the BOLT ?

    To be honest, I am not good at the whole command line interface and would perfer some kind of a cloning software with a GUI if such a thing is possible?
    Do you think something like clonezilla or some other software might also work?

    Using the command line interface, if I type even 1 thing wrong, it won't work. For example, it won't identify the source or target correctly because I don't know how to property identify the drives in the system using that method. Do I reference them by drive make/model number,etc..?

    Please let me know if any other cloning software would work on this TIVO drive or if it matters if you are using a 4TB or 8TB TIVO drive as your source before trying to create the 14TB TIVO drive?

    Thanks.
     
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  8. tommage1

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    Ok, well most of the instructions here are fairly clear I think. At this point I would say the best two options would be either let the Bolt format a 4TB drive which would then have 3TB, use MFSR to get it to to 4TB, then use MFST 3.32 as outlined in this thread (the copy then 5 adds and addfixes). Or get yourself a cloning dock, clone the 8 to the 14, then do the 3 adds and addfixes. I have not done CLONES with anything but a dock for years (again clones, not copies). The only method I have used MYSELF is cloning 8TB in a dock, to a 10TB and a 12TB, then expanding with MFST. You do have a big advantage, since starting fresh if something goes wrong you can just try again. I've done a lot of experimenting/testing over the years (as a user), sometimes have to try different things until get it done right.

    Oh, if going the clone route maybe someone else can help with possible methods software wise. Keep in mind cloning an 8TB in a dock can take 12-14 hours, in a computer maybe twice that.
     
  9. Johnny Danger

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    Hello.

    What do you mean by " 5 adds and addfixes" or there being well documentation on how to do this?

    Can this " 5 adds and addfixes" be done using any other software other then MFST 3.32?

    As far as being " well documented", There is not any youtube walkthough video of someone performing this process or even a website with some screen shots.

    It seem like there are hundred of pages of old archived forum with bits and pieces laying around.

    I recently used a software called g4l which I created a bootable USB drive.

    It gave me options to identify the source drive and identify the target drive and start the cloning process.

    I'm not sure if this worked or not but compare this to MFST 3.32 in which are are giving a blinking cursre and expected to basically program comments on how to do this?

    The password is "TIVO" for gosh sake.

    You would think that it could at least have some options to select on common TIVO hard drive procedures? Like " press 1 to clone dirve" then let you select the Source and target drive.

    Thanks.
     
  10. Johnny Danger

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    Why don't you add some kind of GUI to this process? Even if it runs its like " press 1" for the cloning process, press 2 for the process to add extra 2TB" and allow the user to select the hard drive. It does not have to be some fancy interface with beautiful graphics, just even like a basic graphicing calculator program would be a vast improvement.

    This current process requires someone with a lot of high end computer skill to complete like Mr. Robot or something.


    Please make some basic interface for the average Joe.

    Thank you.
     
  11. tommage1

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    As I mentioned I am a USER of these upgrade methods not one of the programmers. The programs themselves are a labor of love really, they are not for sale, no profit being made far as I know. So I myself am just happy they exist. There are instructions and examples IN THIS THREAD. The instructions are in the second post. Some examples of people doing it here also I believe. NOT videos though there are some screen shots. I myself am tired of everything nowadays being a video (well they are good for some physical procedures but not things like news or instructions, I like to READ things, if I want to go back to recheck something I don't want to have to rewind a video and figure out where to rewind to, I just go back and read the part I need to review again or even print it out). Anyway I'm quoting second post in the below, would not worry about the kickstart 58 for now though would be a good idea for later: Note the instructions on LOGIN and PASSWORD, the lsblk command with parameters to identify your drives (source and target), the mfscopy command if you will be using that (ie not cloning) and then instructions on the MFSadd and MFSaddfixes. To me this good documentation/instructions. If not for you maybe just buy an upgrade from Weaknees.

    "First download the MFSTools 3.3-devel ISO.

    If your drive is 4 TB or larger, clone it to the new drive via your favorite cloning method and skip the mfscopy part of the instructions which I put in italics. If it is less than 4 TB use MFSTools to copy it to the new drive.

    Boot the ISO with your drives hooked up to your computer.

    Once logged into the ISO using username root with password tivo, determine what the names of your drives are. Easiest way is to type lsblk -o name,size,vendor at the command line.

    Here sdX is your source drive and sdY is your target drive.
    Run the command mfscopy -am 2000 /dev/sdX /dev/sdY and then patiently wait.

    Once that command is finished or the cloning of your drive is finished, put the target drive into the TiVo and make sure it boots up properly and make sure it connects to TiVo successfully.

    Once that is done, return the drive to your computer. Your source drive is no longer needed and can to be disconnected from the computer. Will still use sdY for the target drive.

    Reverify the target drive name by using the command lsblk -o name,size,vendor.

    Next run the command mfsadd -xcm 2040 /dev/sdY.

    This will add about 2 TB of recording space and place the partitions in order in case we want to coalesce them later for further expansion. If you have less than 2 TB of space, it will use whatever space you have to add recording time.

    Once that runs successfully then run the command mfsaddfix /dev/sdY.
    When that command is finished, I recommend that you verify it boots up in your TiVo successfully before repeating the commands to be on the safe side, however, it has worked without doing so.

    Each mfsadd command followed by mfsaddfix command adds 2 TB of recording space to the drive and you can do that up to 3 times. So repeat those two command until you have run out of space or have run them 3 times.

    If you happen to add more space than is available to add with mfsadd, mfsaddfix will reset the APM to remove the added partitions. Then when you put the drive back into the TiVo, it will ask that you divorce the external drive. Go ahead and do so.

    If you are experiencing any issues after the process, run a kickstart 58 on boot up. Some people are experiencing connection issues such that the connection does not complete and this seems to resolve it. I would stay away from kickstart 57 as I invariably get a green screen boot loop. MFSTools can help you recover from this in most circumstances.

    There are no warranties or guarantees with these images and I take no responsibility for anything that happens using these images or loss of recordings that could happen by using these tools. You are logged in as root so you could do dangerous things to your system if you are not careful. Be aware that TiVo could change their OS in the future that may cause loss of recordings because of the drive being expanded. If there are any issues with these files let me know and I will see what I can do.

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    "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson
    "I have had my results for a long time: but I do not yet know how I am to arrive at them" - Carl Friedrich Gauss"
     
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  12. jmbach

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    If this was my full time job, then not a problem. However this is not.

    It is my goal to someday do something like that when the time avails itself. When that time is, is anybody's guess.
     
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    Thank you.

    I have saved your post to my computer and printed out a copy to keep by my PC when trying this.

    I got as far as my current progress, I get to the point where I run into"

    " INTERGER ARGUMENT EXPECTED FOR -M"

    I used an 8TB hard drive, initialized it with the TIVO, used MFS 1004 tool on windows to expand the drive.
    When I try to clone the drive over to the 14TB drive using those instructions, I get that Interger error as seeon on the screenshot.

    Any idea what went wrong or how I can fix?

    Thanks.

     
  14. Johnny Danger

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    Maybe you can start a Kickerstarter, Gofundme, Indiegogo account and raise some donation money for doing the project?

    Alternatively, is there like a place that you can post projects that multiple people can work on it? Kind of like Linux, Open office, Freebsd or other open source projects?

    What do you think?

    Thanks.
     
  15. jmbach

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    So you created an 8 TB image using an 8TB drive and MFSR.

    Did you boot the drive in the TiVo to make sure it worked okay.

    I am unable to view the picture you posted.

    How are you cloning the 8TB image over to the 14 TB drive.
     
  16. CrashHD

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    What is this talk of 14TB? Do we think that is possible?
    I just bought a Roamio Plus, and I'm looking to upgrade it. I'm willing to risk a little money on testing parts if that is helpful. Whether that is buying a 14TB drive, or buying a weaknees one just to take a look at it (has been tempting).

    I have time, this unit does not have to be put into immediate service
     
  17. jmbach

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    It is possible to make a 14 TB image. Fastest way is with MFSTools on an image without any recordings on it. I do need to upload the latest ISO so that you have the latest mfsaddfix program to make it possible. I'll work on getting a new ISO uploaded this week.
     
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  18. CrashHD

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    That sounds great, and with a new box on the way (blank with no recordings), I will be in the perfect condition to test this out

    Is 14 TB thought to be the current limit, or can it go higher. I need to know what hard drive to order. On that subject, is there a recommended brand/line to use? I know back in the day it was WD green drives, but I don't think they go that large.
     
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  19. jmbach

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    So the largest image you can make via MFSTools method only is 20 TB.

    Generally you want a drive that does not run hot. This usually is a 5400 rpm drive.
     
  20. apsarkis

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    If you don't need quite that large a size, you can pry the drive from one of the WD Easystore's, often on sale at Best Buy. I got a 10TB last fall for $159 (currently $199), but right now the 12TB is a better deal for only $189. There is a 14TB model, but the price jumps to $309.

    I had previously upgraded my Roamio Pro from 3TB to 4TB using a WD green, then cloned that to the 10TB and did the 3x "adds". I was 100% full at 4TB, should be a while before I get there again.

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