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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ghartler, Jun 22, 2019.
Will there be an app for Disney+ on TiVo (specifically asking for my Premiere box)?
Very unlikely. You could ask Disney to create one.
If TubiTV can have a TiVo app then there is no reason Disney can't have one. If they do it would likely be well after the initial service launch.
but you would still need Disney to provide the app to tivo
I would say extremely unlikely. TiVo is a poor streaming box with a tiny market share. Disney will only create an app if TiVo pays them big bucks to do so.
Or perhaps Disney would offer the app to TiVo as a way to entice people to subscribe to the Disney service.
For a maximum market of about 750K potential subscribers??? Not worth the effort, IMHO. Maybe if the rate of new subs doesn't meet expectations, but that's not likely either.
No. Get a Roku or Fire TV or smart TV that supports it.
The purpose of TiVo switching to HTML5 apps was to make it so developers didn't have to create a special version of their app just for TiVo. But unfortunately that hasn't turned out to be the case. They still had some special hoops developers had to jump through to publish their apps to TiVo so most didn't bother.
I think that's the idea behind the whole Android TV thing. To make it so they can just run all generic Android TV apps from the Play store, rather then needing to have apps published directly to TiVos servers or through the obscure Opera store.
I'm just asking: is the creation of a compatible app (or porting one over) so hard/expensive that potentially attracting up to 750,000 pairs of eyes wouldn't be attractive? I would have thought that it would be a fairly easy matter, but I'm not a developer. And that there's so much competition and potential profit that a company would want to grab everyone it could whatever way (albeit, perhaps a company would think, just let them get a Roku stick).
I think it's more of a maintenance issue. The apps themselves are supposed to be compatible with the Samsung Smart TV platform, which is also HTML5. So they shouldn't need to write a special app as long as they support Samsung Smart TVs. However in practice there are some limitations. Some TiVos, especially older ones, don't have as much memory for apps as Samsung TVs. So there can be performance and streaming issues. The developer also has to submit the app to TiVo, it doesn't just load from the Samsung store. So there is the extra steps of both testing the apps on TiVo (with various hardware configs) and then submitting the app to TiVo to actually publish. From what I saw in their developer portal it's not very automated. There is a lot of manual interaction required to get an app published on TiVo. I could see why some companies wouldn't bother. This is also why we tend to have old versions of apps compared to the versions available on other platforms, even Samsung TVs.
Look at it this way. It is 750,000 POTENTIAL eyes. A fraction will sign up. If Disney hasn’t ported ESPN and ESPN+ to TiVo, I doubt they will port Disney+ which will have a smaller sub base. Even MLB dropped TiVo this year and MLB is one of the big hitters in the streaming world.
For context, Amazon's FireTV ecosystem has 35 million active users, including me. Supposedly they had 30 million in January, and 25 million last October. That's some pretty rapid growth. The devices are inexpensive to begin with, and Amazon puts them on sale on a regular basis on top of that.
I was a very happy TiVo user for over a decade, but I gave a Firestick a shot earlier this year, and haven't really looked back. I still have a lifetimed Roamio Plus that I haven't put on eBay yet.
Amazon Fire TV tops 30 million active users, seeming to beat Roku
Yep that and many with a Tivo already have a streaming box workaround anyway.
Look at how many apps don't even have Android/FireTV or Samsung/Vizio apps, despite there being far more of those? Making an app that is robust and reliable and keeping it so and updating it every time Tivo updates its software is a lot of work. On top of that, most people with Tivos probably have some other streaming devices too.
Not at launch, at least not per this article...
Disney+ will stream on these devices at launch
Disney owns Hulu. And the Hulu app is essentially abandoned on the Tivo. There is no way they are developing and releasing more apps for the device.
TYVM, I think that more than makes it clear that the odds are against a Tivo client at launch and probably for much longer, I'm not away of a Movies anywhere client either but then that's why I have an Apple TV.
Here's the best I can expect as a TiVo owner. I "can" expect that TiVo will soon be coming out with their app for these streaming devices. I can hope that these apps will not be limited to 720p and do much better. I buy one of the streaming devices and run Tivo through their app on the streaming device. Therefore, having any streaming experiments done not from TiVo, but a streaming device that has everything I need, including, TiVo at something higher and better than 720p.
Unless, the new mini can run out for a pizza and fly back, the mini will be faded out.
This may be a limitation of the device(s). I just hope devices like the Shield TV will be allowed to bypass transcoding since it's more than powerful enough to stream the naive resolution. If I had to guess they will go the path virtually everyone else has (for good reason) and max out at 720p.