DirecTV ups HD prices

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by hybucket, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. Oct 19, 2007 #21 of 119
    pmturcotte

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    Why would I be surprised by the attitude DTV has towards its subscribers? Its a business after all. 16M subscribers * $5 a month is a lot of money. However its nonsense to take HD channels I've been paying for forever and start charging more to get them back. Thankfully most of the HDNET programming is crap anyway.

    We've been looking into FIOS as well but no luck in our area yet.
     
  2. Oct 19, 2007 #22 of 119
    fasTLane

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    My thought and experience exactly.

    Isn't it special that so many are in 'lala land' with the new DIRECTion. I can easily break from this crowd in a heartbeat. :cool:
     
  3. Oct 19, 2007 #23 of 119
    ke3ju

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    It surprises me that as existing customers, we would not be grandfathered in, and exempt from this $4.99 charge.
     
  4. Oct 19, 2007 #24 of 119
    HiDefGator

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    I'm surprised anyone still believes that Directv even considers the HR10 when they make pricing and meg2\4 decisions. There aren't enough HR10's still active for them to care about them as a group anymore.
     
  5. Oct 19, 2007 #25 of 119
    fasTLane

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    Had not thought of that. Anything is possible. :p
     
  6. Oct 19, 2007 #26 of 119
    newsposter

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    funny you say grandfathered. When i got the hr20 installed, i couldnt get in the HD channels in the 70s but got most of the new ones and all the premiums. I never paid for HD before this week. Well it got to the point where the 721 message was so annoying i said listen, i never paid for HD before and i'm guessing i'm supposed to pay for it now. Are you sure you turned the right package on?

    She said yes it is on and i'm grandfathered in. It took 5 reps over 2 hours to figure out they needed to turn off the grandfathered package i never paid for then turn on the new one! I bet if i never said anything i could have gotten a bit of free programming but i wanted 'all' the channels so made a fuss about it.

    of course i'm cursed with an lnb or receiver issue now but thats another story
     
  7. Oct 19, 2007 #27 of 119
    Sir_winealot

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    Well since you seem to know this ...exactly how many HR10's are currently active?


    I would think that making this change to my package....which I am contractually obligated to for a 2 year period (of which around 13 months is left)...would relieve me of that obligation, as I had contracted to pay for the existing channels at a lower price.
     
  8. Oct 19, 2007 #28 of 119
    HiDefGator

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    I have to agree with you on that one. But I'll bet there is a clause in the service contract, way down in the fine print somewhere, that says they can raise prices during the two year period.

    Even if not are you going to spend the next 6 months of your life fighting them in court? Doesn't seem worth it to me.
     
  9. Oct 19, 2007 #29 of 119
    anotherloser

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    look at it this way....the hd extra package is an extra package that you can suscribe to, to get 5 extra channels in hd that are broadcasted in hd 24/7, you are not required to have that package for any reason and you do not have to add it unless you want the extra channels. So stop bitchin about how you have to pay more money, beef up your tighty whities and stop being so damn cheap, you can't go to any other tv. provider and get near the ammt of channels in hd anywhere i don't care what provider they are and you also can't get the mpeg 4 format either. come on man.
     
  10. Oct 19, 2007 #30 of 119
    anotherloser

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    oh and there is no fine print, its all in size 12 font.....look at in.
     
  11. Oct 19, 2007 #31 of 119
    Sir_winealot

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    Fight 'em in court, lol ...nah. But I'll bet if one wanted to get out of their contract and mentioned this, D* might let it happen under the circumstance.

    I understand raising prices, but it's unusual for a company to take something away from customers that are already paying for it, if they won't pay more. As someone mentioned earlier, folks are usually grandfathered-in in a case like this.

    Thus, this feels like 'punishment' for retaining our HR10's, lol.

    **Do you know ...or have any idea ...how many HR10's are still active out there? Many of us have gotten HR20's, while keeping our HR10's as backup and to record OTA, so I'm very curious about the number.
     
  12. Oct 19, 2007 #32 of 119
    incog-neato

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    The Cold...
    For customers who ONLY have legacy HD equipment (Hr10-250 or H10) they won't lose any of their existing (few) HD programming for the forseeable future. This new pkg only applies to MPEG4 customers. HR10 folks will keep UHD, HDNET etc).

    EDIT: Added "ONLY" to clarify statement.
     
  13. Oct 19, 2007 #33 of 119
    KurtBJC

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    I haven't seen anything to that effect. Where did you hear that?
     
  14. Oct 19, 2007 #34 of 119
    Sir_winealot

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    If he told you, he'd hafta mind wipe you and your entire family.
     
  15. Oct 19, 2007 #35 of 119
    puffdaddy

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    I've seen the following numbers bandied about in the "Spring 2008" DirecTiVo software update thread (as Earl reference these numbers when positing why TiVo is supporting a new dtivo software release):

    Active SD DirecTiVo subscriptions = ~2.25M
    Active HD DirecTiVo subscriptions = ~250k

    The cool thing in my mind is that by merging SD & HD dtivos into 6.3x, there's actually a chance that tivo will fix the bugs in 6.3x and thereby fix bugs affecting HR10-250s.
     
  16. Oct 19, 2007 #36 of 119
    HiDefGator

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    I think you can also assume that the HR10's are being dropped at a faster percentage rate than the much larger pool of SD DTivo's. Roughly 35,000 DTivo's were being turned off every month during the previous quarter. With the rollout of the new HD channels and the deals they were offering on the HR20 all quarter I think the number of HR10's turned off this quarter will be even higher. However you slice it, the HR10's are quickly becoming a part of history.
     
  17. Oct 19, 2007 #37 of 119
    toneman

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    You know what I find a bit ironic, given your "cheapskate" comment? Funny how some of these so-called "cheapskate" folks (not that I'd necessarily think of them as such, mind you) were probably also ridiculed by folks like yourself for being stupid enough to pay $10/month for just 6 or so non-premium HD channels all this time. Hmmm...seems like these folks just can't get no respect--they're called stupid for having paid $10/mo. for six channels, and now they're being called cheapskates for not wanting to pay $5/mo. for six channels.

    Seeing how many of us paid more than "extra to get extra" all these months/years--and yes, when you realize that you can now get over 10 times as many HD channels for the same $10/month than as in the past, us early adopters did pay more than extra--IMHO I don't think it completely out of place to voice an opinion about now being required to pay extra for stuff that we had been "overpaying" for all this time. Yes, no one is being forced to pay extra for the HD Extra Pack, but don't call them cheapskates for complaining about it...not when they had been paying more for a much-lesser D* HD package than many other folks who may now be joining the D* HD programming bandwagon.
     
  18. Oct 19, 2007 #38 of 119
    toneman

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    Yup...sorta like what they did when they moved some channels that were previously part of the Choice package (e.g., Fox Movie Channel) into the Choice Xtra package...thus requiring that you pay extra if you just couldn't live w/o FMC (yes I know the Xtra package does not completely consist of channels that were previously offered in the Choice package but that's besides the point).

    Continuing on this tangent--I see that, according to the D* channel lineup (as of 10/15/07), other channels (e.g., Speed, WGN, Versus, Oxygen, E!, ESPN Classic, etc.) that were part of the Choice (or whatever it used to be called) package are now listed under the Choice Xtra (nee "Plus") package. Has this change actually gone into effect, or is it scheduled to take place sometime in the near future? I ask because I have the "Choice" package, yet I am receiving the aforementioned channels (and a few others not mentioned here but listed under the Choice Xtra channel listing)... :confused: Heck I remember back in the day when the Choice Plus/Xtra package contained roughly only a dozen channels (not including XM)...
     
  19. Oct 19, 2007 #39 of 119
    sjberra

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    link please, have hr10's and hr20's was told no go, you pay, if from a CSR would not hold my breath on that comment being correct
     
  20. Oct 19, 2007 #40 of 119
    TyroneShoes

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    Well, I can't say it wasn't unexpected. DTV is using the carrot and the stick to manipulate how attractive the new DVR is and make the HR10 a less-attractive appliance. I get that, the carrot was the new channels, and the stick is sticking it to anyone who doesn't avail themselves of the new hardware to receive them. But this quote:

    "In the e-mail to current customers, DIRECTV says the six channels in the HD Extra Pack will be available as part of a "free preview" until December 15."

    is a little hard to swallow. I get the privilege of paying 10 bucks a month to get a "free preview" of those very same channels. Not much logic in that. Karl Rove would be proud. I guess they had to pay for those 14 full-page ads in today's USA Today somehow.

    So for those who really aren't jazzed by the HR20 or the 70 channels, and are still waiting for HD content on any of them worth watching, and who for that reason alone are staying with the HR10, what are the options?

    Just what does "HD service" contain? If I opt out of it completely, will the HR10's work at all? What does that 10 bucks really buy me?

    I'm really only interested in OTA at this point. UHD, HDNM, and HDNet keep running the same drivel over and over that they were running in 2003 (with the notable exception of the terrifically twisted "Torchwood", which is over by December 11th).

    If I can get no sat HD yet still stick with the HR10 for OTA HD and SD, I'll be good until some content starts to sprout on the other 70. It will be a race between real HD content on DTV, life expectancy of my HR10s, and satisfactory implementation of Tivo on Cox Cable to see where I end up. I don't think the HR20 fits into that plan anywhere.
     

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