DirecTV/TiVo to update DTivos. (See they haven't completely given up on DTiVo)

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ebonovic, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

    Jul 24, 2001


    Since it is most TiVo's time (They do the software development), and it is possible covered already under the contract and $$$ aspects of that contract, and the rollout of the update is also done by TiVo... so minimally it would be resources to test it....

    Why not? Why not improve the ~4,000,000 SD DTiVos out there....
    There is no overwhelming reason for them to be turned off... so why not make them better...

    The R15 is still the only SD-DVR that a new subscriber can get... unless they wanted to go the used route (or take the chance that some vendor has a new one lying around).
  2. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

    Feb 23, 2006
    Salt Lake...
    In a perfect world, all TiVo's would play nice together.

    We'd log onto and see our standalone TiVo's, our S3's, and our DirecTV TiVo's all listed there.
    We'd be able to schedule recordings, check for conflicts, heck, even have cooperative scheduling across all TiVo's on our account.

    We'd have multi room viewing available for all our TiVo's, regardless of manufacturerer.

    Conversely, we'd have the same ability on

    All of this available out of the box, no hacking or cracking required.

  3. jmoak

    jmoak Beware of Conky!

    Jun 20, 2000
    So Tivo covers all the costs except for the resources to test it? Wow! :eek:
    Another Wow! I thought there were only a little more than 2.6 million dtivo subs left!
    And Why Not?? Why not last year!;) I can't fuss, though. Better late than never, eh?
    As far as turning them off, the expert analysts were the only ones who were prophesizing that one last year. They were also the ones who were saying that directv would not allow any new tivo features on the dtivo boxes in order to make their inhouse dvr look better.

    It IS nice to see that the experts can be wrong every once in a while.
  4. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

    Jul 24, 2001
    2.6mil Subscribers... but a lot of subscribers have more then 1 unit.
  5. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

    Jan 16, 2007


    Yes most have atleast 2 if not more units. So 4.0 Mil DTivos would be a Fair number to say.
  6. drew2k

    drew2k Drew != Drawn

    Jun 9, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    Yup. I am one sub and have 2 HDVR2s, and 2 HR10s. One sub with four DTiVos.

    My mother is one sub and has 1 R10, 1 R15, and 2 HDVR2s. So she's one sub with three DTiVos.
  7. hyde76

    hyde76 New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Yorba Linda, CA
    I have three HDVR2's and I'm not buying a HD panel until I can get a HD MPEG4 DTivo to attach them to. So my Standard Def signal is not 1080p. It's been fine for as long as I've been watching TV and it'll continue to be fine for many years to come. Or until the living room TV breaks.
  8. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

    Jan 16, 2007
    So there you go: 4 Subscribers above (including drew2K's Mother) and 12 Directv/Tivo units.

    So the 4 Million DTivo's is probally a lower Count than the actual number out there :D
  9. tbeckner

    tbeckner TiVo Fan

    Oct 26, 2001
    Bend, OR, USA
    Notice that my statement was not a statement but a question, there was a question mark at end of that sentence.

    The reason I was asking that as a question, is because it has already been pointed out that the R15 would not have networking activated and other functions that are being added to the HR20 are NOT slated to be added to the R15, so that information begged the question is the R15 already orphaned? :)

    In addition, some of the functions originally announced as being available for the R15 never showed up, but are on the HR20.

    Since the R15 and HR20 were part of Murdoch's plan and Murdoch is disappearing, and if the new owners reactivate DirecTV's longer-term DVR relationship with TiVo, then it appears to me that it is very likely that the current R15 and HR20 would both end up being orphaned, because I don't believe that they could ever compete with the TiVo DVRs in quality and functionallity, and DirecTV needs a quality DVR to compete with cable long-term.


    I noticed in previous posts that people are counting TiVo/DVRs based upon subscribers, so if anyone is counting, I have 5 DirecTiVos (All hacked with expanded live buffers and MRV), 2 Standalone TiVos, and a TiVo HD on the way, which is 7 DVR's and soon 8.

    For DirecTV purposes, that is 5 TiVos for one subscriber, but if everything goes as planned, as soon as MRV (and maybe TiVoToGo) is released for the TiVo HD, then more TiVo HD boxes are planned and DirecTV (without a workable TiVo HD DVR with MRV) after almost 13 years could soon come to an end and I will finally return to cable with a TiVo in HD and with MRV.

    Thank God!
  10. shanew1289

    shanew1289 New Member

    May 6, 2004
    One subscriber with 4 of them. Damn addicting!
  11. jamoke

    jamoke not dead yet...

    Oct 5, 2003
    Mesa, AZ;_ylt=AoIom9NlMUCK5G364QOY2n9X.3QA

    TiVo to Step In and Save DirecTV's DVRs

    Mark Hachman - ExtremeTech
    Wed Aug 1, 1:54 PM ET

    Is the love back? It appears so. TiVo said this week that it will develop a software upgrade for DirecTV Series 2 TiVo-branded DVRs, "to enhance the user experience".

    As you might recall, DirecTV essentially severed ties with TiVo to promote its own platform, known as the HR20. We called it "The DVR DirecTV Users Hate to Love," which seems to have been accurate; in multiple threads across the Internet, HR20 users griped, moaned, and otherwise complained -- then told us that they were willing to stick it out.

    Now, it appears, the HR20's problems are being tacitly acknowledged.

    "Launching in early 2008, the new software download will provide these customers with DVR enhancements offered with the TiVo service, including a Recently Deleted Folder and Overlap Protection, as well as DirecTV's Remote Booking feature," the companies said in a statement. " In addition, DirecTV and TiVo will continue to explore ways to bring future enhancements to DirecTV customers with TiVo receivers."
  12. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    How does such inaccurate writing get picked up as actual news? Unreal.
  13. Bonanzaair

    Bonanzaair New Member

    Aug 25, 2006

    It's amazing how much bull gets flung here too. Good to see DirecTV back on board again.

  14. Billy Bob Boy

    Billy Bob Boy What Me Worry???????

    Jul 25, 2004
    I have a Glimmer of hope but it is a tiny glimmer. When Tivo and D* reup the contract to 2015 I will have allot more hope. IMHO It is still not !00% Hope as we as the laymen simply reading releases havent got a ding dang clue of what is going on. For all we know Tivo is trying to simply squeeze all they can out of an empty tube of toothpaste. (I would think Tivo will get something nfrom D* For this upgrade) If Tivo and D* are going to survive they need to sign Up for more time.

    For Me I am going to ignore all the crap going on in this thread cause it is all speculation as far as i am concerned. Even if someone claims to be working for tivo or D* I will truly believe when I go to Circuit City to buy my Hr10-300( :rolleyes: )(If Only) And Hopefully D* will abandon this stupid Lease crap( :rolleyes: )If Only

    I cant see any reason Why R15,hr20 cant exist side by side with say hr10-300 and S3 directivos If liberty were smart this is what they will do.( :rolleyes: )If Only

    BBB Slowly backs out of this Thread
  15. Cudahy

    Cudahy New Member

    Mar 21, 2001
    Could there be some connection between this news and Malone taking over?
    If we only knew whether Malone has been personally using a Tivo these past few years.
    Directvs' decision to sever it's relationship with Tivo might well have been triggered by Murdoch. After all we've read about him that would hardly be surprising.
  16. grecorj

    grecorj Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2002
    DirecTV cut ties with TiVo when Murdoch took over because he owns a company -- NDS -- that makes a DVR for his European satellite company, SkyTV.
    More info here.
  17. feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

    Mar 13, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Here's what I posted on Wired news in the comments.

    In 2003, Rupert Murdoch acquired DirecTV. His first action was to destroy the relationship between DirecTV and TiVo by giving his NDS subsidiary an impossible task -- copy the TiVo in 18 months and make it the de facto DVR for DirecTV.

    They did it, albeit missing a few release dates, and it STINKS. It's quirky, buggy, and has none of the user interface innovations of the TiVo. Meanwhile, TiVo has made huge leaps in functionality, allowing shows to be played on your PC, pictures, mp3s, and videos from your PC to be played on TiVo, networking between TiVos to allow shows to be watched remotely, and remote scheduling. The DirecTV DVR eschews any networking with household PCs or other devices.

    And last fall, the ill-advised mission of trying to clone TiVo was repeated with the High Definition DVR. It requires frequent reboots and the interface is quirky at best. Meanwhile, the now unsupported TiVo-developed HDTV DirecTV DVR (HR10-250) has been left out in the cold, with access to DirecTV's new HDTV programming cut off as this material is broadcast in MPEG-4 (which the TiVo cannot play back).

    All this because Rupert Murdoch considers it life-or-death to "own" the entire physical plant, from the satellites down to every single box that picks up a signal. Ask any Australian about Rupert Murdoch and you'll get a story about how he has kept television technology firmly in the dark ages all to protect the almighty dollar. Murdoch wanted that extra $1 per customer that they'd been paying to TiVo bad!

    And then the unthinkable happened. Echostar (Dish Network) lost their patent case against TiVo. They were found to have violated virtually every DVR patent in TiVo's portfolio. Echostar quickly offered a monstrous settlement and DirecTV suddenly renewed their soon-to-expire contract with TiVo.

    End result? DirecTV wasted 3 years and millions of dollars developing off-brand TiVos that nobody wants. And now they are beholden to TiVo forever because their DVR will invariably be found to be a TiVo clone in any patent lawsuit. So they're stuck with TiVo whether they want it or not! The huge wave of negativity towards the TiVo clones that DirecTV has foisted upon us readily bubble to the surface at DBSTalk, the home of DirecTV's DVR public beta test program (the public are the beta testers!).

    So what does this news article indicate? Since Rupert Murdoch has let go of DirecTV, I believe cooler heads have prevailed at DirecTV and the flames of the smouldering relationship between itself and TiVo are now being fanned. I anxiously await the announcement of an MPEG-4 compatible TiVo-developed DirecTV DVR with all the innovations TiVo has adopted in the last 3 years (and which have not been available to DirecTV customers).

    One can only hope.
  18. Dkerr24

    Dkerr24 Lost in Big Bend

    Oct 28, 2004
    Okla, USA
    I guess I'm not excited. I've got 2 zippered DTivo's and unless I could keep the current features I have, I would not be willing to give up being able to view my programs on either DTivo or being able to copy programs to my PC for burning to DVD. Those new features don't seem as important as the two features I enjoy right now.
  19. Billy Bob Boy

    Billy Bob Boy What Me Worry???????

    Jul 25, 2004
    What say you and I get together and punch this guy 4 or 5 times in the face :D :D :D
  20. feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

    Mar 13, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Clearly has never used a TiVo. And "new is always better"? Do I even have to touch this one? ;)

    Where'd you see this absurd post?

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