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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ebonovic, Jul 31, 2007.
I'm betting the nice hidden feature will be copy protection and copy flag obedience.
So, are you predicting over 400,000 DirecTV DVR's? R15's and HR20's? Possible but unlikely. Of course, that would still only be a little over 10%.
And it appears that the R15's have already been orphaned, haven't they?
I believe that the $299 SA TiVo HD has played a somewhat staring role in all of this.
IMHO, this is great news for un-hacked DirecTiVos owners, but there is nothing to get excited about for the owners of hacked DirecTiVos.
If the news had included HMO (TiVoToGo and MRV) and some of the other SA TiVo features (not already available via hacks), then there would be something to get excited about, but the features announced are mostly available through hacks.
TiVo of course has not yet released manual NEGATIVE PADDING, which still appears to be a better option than "Overlap Protection(TM)".
And how about "Universal Swivel Search", IMHO that would be a better addition than "Remote Booking".
When you get something for nothing there might always be something that is taken away. Who knows?
Call it predicting if you want...
What makes you say that?
They all are receiving software updates, and have been actively part of the CE program for the last two months.
And the latest CE version, has started to introduce new features... and I full expect more features to be introduced to the R15 platform in the comming weeks.
This may be wishful thinking, but I think Tivo has a shot at coming back on directv. Cable tivos are (in my opinion) much too overpriced. The Tivo HD appeals to me a lot at the $260 mark(from circuit city, with discount), but $16 a month is a total ripoff if I have to splurge for the device, THEN make a one year commitment AND spend $16 a month. I could see getting a free box, spending maybe $10 a month on service and making a 1 year commitment(maybe 2), but the current system is outrageous. By contrast, DirecTV charges just $5.99 a month for dvr service and they'll give you a free DVR if you ask for it. For Directv, I see this as an amazing deal: $1 a month per dvr subscriber nets them as many software updates as they want. Not such a great deal for Tivo, compared to the $16 a month they get for standalones, but an amazing deal for DirecTV.
Why would the Better Business Bureau come down on Earl?
Huh? The R15 has been the only SD DVR available from DirecTV for 2 years now. There are probably as many of them out there as DirecTivo's.
As for HR20s, I think it's pretty clear there are as many of them out as the HR10, of which only about 600K were out there.
Note that neither statement is anything bad or against Tivo, it's just you must remember that most people get the DVR the company gives them for free when they sign up. Thus there are a lot of them out there because very few "Joe Sixpacks" are going to go out and try to find a DirecTivo somewhere. They don't even know they exist.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd be curious as to what percentage of TiVo devices that are active are DirecTiVo devices. (i.e. TiVo has 5m customers, 4m of which are DTiVo's).
Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me to see DirecTV purchase TiVo outright at some point. It makes a certain degree of sense - they'd have access to the entire patent portfolio, to the TiVo software and engineers, and frankly, some large percentage of TiVo customers are already DirecTV customers.
If I were running the DirecTV ship, I'd wait for TiVo to be in serious trouble (even more than now - when was the last time they spun a profit?) and then buy them for pennies on the dollar.
It is wishful thinking but not completely out of the realm of possibility. The statement in the press release about "exploring future opportunities" does not sound like two companies looking to run out the clock on their contract. The fact that they are doing this at all, much less in 2008 is curious to say the least. I have a Series 1 and Series 2 DirecTivos and had pretty much scaled back my DirecTV subscription to the lowest level (Family) since DirecTV still has some channels on that tier my local Comcast does not. Most of my money goes to Comcast now using my Series 3 Tivos (two of them). If DirecTV had made a committment to Tivo years ago, my situation with them would be different.
Not exactly true. Right now, Circuit City is selling NIB Directivos for $78 on its website.
From the 1st Qtr 2006 financial call: http://media.seekingalpha.com/article/10151
They estimated to have just north of 250,000 HR10's in the market and predicted that they would add a bit more since the MPEG4 DVR wasn't out yet. So 600K HR10s is actually way high on my part. Probably more like 300K maybe 350K but that's pushing it. That's not all that many. I think it's pretty safe to say there are at least half that in HR20's out there active, probably close to the same HR10 number.
I'm trying to dig up SD numbers but I'm pretty sure I remember the number 2.5 million and dropping tossed around in an earnings call the past year or so.
Well, as I said later in my post, vast majority of people take whatever DirecTV gives them for free. Which would be the R15. Certainly there are still some DirecTivo's out there in the channel, but not many at all.
I am actually intrested in how many of those Circuit City has...
The reason being... is that particular model, has not been produced for almost 2 years now (since the R10's release... which was release 2 years ago).
So either they haven't been selling that well for the last two years.... or they had a MASSIVE warehouse full of them.
And now some SD DirecTivo numbers.
From the 4th quarter 2005 conference call. Note that 4th quarter 05 is when the R15 was released and the DirecTivo's were no longer available from DirecTV with the free installs (which most people take).
The had a total of 2.5 million DVR subs in total. Of which 200-250K were HR10s (the next quarter as posted above there was 250K HR10s). So 2.25-2.3 million SD DVR subs. Unclear if this is the number of boxes, sounds not. So maybe 4 million actual DVRs (although I can't find that number anywhere), 2.5 million total subs.
It was also mentioned that they activated 400K new DVR boxes that quarter, 2/3 of which were Tivo so already 1/3 at that time were the R15. Again, vast majority of subs just take whatever their provider sends them which after this time was the R15.
So now we have some solid numbers for those that want to discuss these things.
At it's height there were around 2.5 million subs with some sort of DirecTivo, maybe just a touch higher since the HR20 didn't come out until 3 quarters later.
Current total DirecTV subs now approach 16.5 million.
Also in one of the conference calls it was stated about 9-10% of their sub base have some sort of HD receiver.
So there are the numbers in all their glory.
No silly its Big Blonde Boobies
I do know the HR20 is Networked enabled. But thank you
I was talking about the R15, the D11, D12 ALL Directv units with USB Ports.
Maybe you should be telling Directv that.
The R15 is the current Free DVR they give in their DVR package, and has been for awhile now. It is the only SD DVR Directv has.
Also as Earl has mentioned: New updates coming for the R15.
So your Statement is totally out of wack. The only way the R15 is going to die is when Directv goes to all Mpeg4 programming, doing away with Mpeg2, which maybe some Day will happen.
BUT when that does happen, it will also kill many many other units, such as the D10's, all earlier Directv units etc. A very costly upgrade
is it possible that if things get ironed out with tivo that they will push the tivo software out to the HR-20, thus overriding the directv proprietary software? much like tivo is attempting to do with the comcast hd dvrs?
Which begs the question,
Why in the heck is directv expending time, money and resources to roll out new features and functionality on a self-proclaimed depracated platform?
Logically, you'd think that they may be re-thinking the "R15 is the only SD DVR Directv has" stance.
but anytime I've tried to use common sense and logic to figure out what directv was going to do, I've been dead wrong.