DirecTV - TIVO Functionality ... neutered?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by oregondean, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. ChristopherLee

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    How much did they charge?
     
  2. BOBCAT

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    Sense I bought 2 THR22's, they waved the charge for the remote.
     
  3. ChristopherLee

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    Looks like the THR22 Tivo remote is getting up on the Directv website now. Yesterday it was not there. Today it is there without a picture, but says picture coming soon. They list it as the "TiVo RF Remote" and they are charging $25.00. I'll wait till the picture is there to be sure.
     
  4. litzdog911

    litzdog911 TechKnow Guide

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    Yep, that's it.
     
  5. feldon23

    feldon23 MythBuster

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    We've now had years to get used to the DirecTV HR20's, and they fixed most of the performance and operational problems to where, other than the annoying interface, an HR2x is functionally similar to a TiVo, plut it has features the TiVo doesn't have. I have grown satisfied with the HR2x and don't find it to be missing anything.

    The HR22 and THR22 are the same hardware, just different software. There's no reason for the TiVo not to fully support all DirecTV functionality at this point. After reading the PDF at the other site which fairly but critically reviewed the THR22, basically you're paying extra for the UI and lose a lot of what the new TiVos do.
     
  6. BOBCAT

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    The one thing that I miss is the PIP when viewing the guide.
     
  7. stevel

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    And yet some people, including my wife, hate the picture-in-guide. Doesn't bother me one way or the other.
     
  8. midas

    midas I heard that

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    I don't mind it in the guide, but I hate it in the Now Playing list. I don't want to hear the score of a game or the final reveal of a drama I'm recording.
     
  9. bpratt

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    That may be the main reason I would get the THR22. I also hate the PIP or PIG or what ever its called. But until I know for sure the THR22 supports 30 second skip, I'll wait.
     
  10. MikeAndrews

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    The D* users are missing standard TiVo features including MRV, NetFlix, Podcasts, Vidcasts, Amazon VoD, soon Amazon streaming, Pandora, a couple of other lesser online services, the full TiVo UI and more + better PQ on most services. But the logic is that since the D*-castrated TiVo doesn't do that it's TiVo's fault.

    Take the red pill.
     
  11. midas

    midas I heard that

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    That was a concern for me too, and no, it doesn't look like there is any way to enable a 30 second skip. But the FF itself works much better than the D* units, so that's a positive.

    Even with no 30 second skip, I'm extremely happy.
     
  12. patty1955

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    Even without the skip, I'm happy I'm back with Tivo.Unlimited season passes (rather than a 50 show limit), no lag in menus or playback, a search that keeps up with my letters, etc make it worth it to me. I still miss being able to search or program while watching a show, but I'll live.
     
  13. bpratt

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    Trick play has always been better on Tivo than anything DirecTV ever created. I'm still using an HR10-250 for a lot of OTA shows that I watch and much prefer it to the HR2x series.
     
  14. Jerry_K

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    FWIW,

    I have two SD DirecTiVo boxes in our RV. We travel full time and must use satellite. I miss my Series 3 boxes.

    Now the really bad news for DirecTV HRXX boxes. They do not have MRV. They have box to box streaming. And of course the new TiVo interface does not have either.

    I have had to make a decision since one of my old SD units was failing. I was thrilled to see that the TiVo interface was finally back on DirecTV. Then came the bad news. It is a stripped down version of TiVo. Some of the sizzle but none of the taste. Lack of MRV is a stone killer. And lack of trick play is just plain dumb.

    So I started looking at the Rupert boxes as I call them the HRXX series from DirecTV. Crippled in one way or another vis a vis a real TiVo.

    So I bit the bullet and found a refurb DSR704. Transferred programs we wanted archived to the other unit (cannot do that with a Rupert box). Used TivoWeb to copy and paste all the season passes from both boxes (we had some duplicates to be sure the better unit recorded in case of pixelization on the failing unit.) There is no way to do this other than pen and paper with the Rupert boxes.

    Took the drive from the failing unit, installed it in the refurb, called up DirecTV and had it activated, waited overnight and installed all the season passes again. Good to go.

    There is just no way to do any of this with a Rupert Box.

    So now I just have to wait until the "community" finds a way to enable proper TiVo usefulness on the THR22. They have been able to do it on all other TiVo boxes so why not this one? Perhaps there is so much Rupert in the base box that even good software cannot run properly. Just like a dadgum MAC. Too proprietary.
     
  15. litzdog911

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    What's the difference between multi-room viewing and "box to box streaming"?
     
  16. Jerry_K

    Jerry_K Don't know much

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    On a real TiVo DVR you select a program from say Unit 1 which you wish to watch on Unit 2. The program is duplicated on Unit 2. You can watch it as it transfers. The transfer speed is always faster than the time it takes to view so trick play works almost immediately.

    Streaming just plays the Unit one program on the Unit 2 display. The program is not on both units when you are done. You cannot move programs you want to keep from a full DVR to a less full DVR. And if as in my case yesterday a unit is puking you cannot archive the programs on the puking DVR to another DVR as I did with my DirecTiVos.
     
  17. sjberra

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    lets see

    MRV - funny have a HR34 and 5 directtv dvrs, can watch a program that was recorded on the hr34 on any of the other 5 units
    Netflix / amazon vod - have cinemadirect, light years better and more of the current movies, tried trial subscriptions of both and found both to be severly lacking in first run movies.
    Amazon streaming, pandora not a big issue, my iphone does both and when docked sounds a lot better
    PQ? have seen them side by side on the same tv's at the same time at a authorized installer's showroom, see no difference
    Windows 3.0 interface - can definately live without that, the new HD-GUI puts everything to shame
    350 series links are more then enough for my family of 5
    If I want to see a HR10-250 interface will go out to the garage and turn that one on

    Sorry this unit is exactly what tivo users wanted - a HR10-250 with Mpeg 4, years ago when the project was started by tivo they got the latest hardware technology platform available and it took them years to have it hit the market
     
  18. MikeAndrews

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    Sure. It's TiVo that took years to deliver it, not DirecTV dragging it out forever. TiVo knows full well how to build the box. You can bet the time was spent getting the requirements from D* - mostly on what it couldn't do - and the brian damaged specs that D* came up with after they figured they could just steal the Rupert box from what they thought they learned from TiVo.

    TiVo is shipping a DVR with those features and 4 live tuners now. All 4 tuners even work when it's raining, too. And you can buy one and set it up and cancel service the next day and not owe $450, because they're very sure their product doesn't suck.
     
  19. sjberra

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    sorry don't bet anything, unless someome is privy to the exact issues that occurred then everything is specualtion, sounds like the comcast deal all over again. If you have access to this information, would be interested in seeing it. the brian damaged specs are what directv gave tivo, to bad it took them 3 years to get it done

    Sorry "live tuners" working when it's raining since it is cable connected, lot of difference between a satillite signal in inclement weather as compared to a singal that is deliever via a cable that will only have weather interference is the cable ends are corroded or there is a break in the physical layer of teh calbe. want 100 percent perfect signal in all weather conditions - go with your local cable provider.

    Set it up and cancel the next day? from TIVO's website

    " WITH RESPECT TO ANY NEW TIVO SERVICE SUBSCRIPTION ACTIVATED ON OR AFTER SEPTEMBER 6, 2005, YOU AGREE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE TIVO SERVICE FOR NO LESS THAN 12 MONTHS OR LONGER DEPENDING UPON YOUR SERVICE SUBSCRIPTION PLAN (THE "SERVICE COMMITMENT"). IF YOU FAIL TO MEET THE SERVICE COMMITMENT BY CANCELLING YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO THE TIVO SERVICE (OR IF TIVO TERMINATES YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO THE TIVO SERVICE DUE TO A BREACH OF THIS AGREEMENT), YOU AGREE THAT TIVO MAY CHARGE YOU THE EARLY TERMINATION FEE AGREED TO BY YOU AT THE TIME YOU SUBSCRIBED TO THE TIVO SERVICE, AND YOU AGREE TO PAY ANY SUCH EARLY TERMINATION FEE."
     
  20. SnakeEyes

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    Feel free to be educated

    http://www.tivo.com/buytivo/faqs/about_purchasing/index.html

    "TiVo offers a 30-day money-back guarantee. Only applies to initial activations if canceled within 30 days and the TiVo box is returned for a full refund. If you cancel within 30 days of activation (which is typically the date your order ships), you will receive a full refund if you return the TiVo Premiere, Premiere XL or Premiere Elite box and wireless adapter, if applicable, within 15 days of cancellation."
     

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