Directv talks about Tivo and national HD and more!!!

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by lee espinoza, Jan 10, 2006.

  1. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

    Feb 5, 2001
    Tivo is a VIIV partner. VIVV <> MCE Extender, it's almost a competitor.

    Sticking a DirecTV logo on something is meaningless. Unless they had a box to demo, it's 18+ months out, if ever.

    Tivo had a real Series 3 SA HD box to demo. That's the only thing in all this discussion that's believable.

    Did DirecTV even have an MPEG-4 HD DVR there? I haven't heard anything about it.
  2. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

    Jul 24, 2001
    At CES? (or another show?)

    At CES they did have the HR20 on the display and hooked up.
    Not sure if it was connected to a SAT or what, as I have only seen the photos of the unit that was on the display floor.
  3. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    At the moment, VIIV implies MCE. (I didn't say "extender" - here E means Edition). That is not to say that VIIV won't be expanded to encompass alternative software platforms such as TiVo in the future. I had not realized before this that TiVo was a VIIV partner which implies to me that TiVo is considering a VIIV platform implementation.

    The box shown in the keynote could have been just a DirecTV receiver or PVR with a VIIV decal slapped on - I don't know. But what Carey was talking about was definitely something MCE-like with DirecTV content and two-way communication.
  4. SpankyInChicago

    SpankyInChicago New Member

    May 13, 2005
    The DRM initiative at Microsoft for Vista is part of the Trusted Computing Initiative. Parts of TCI will definitely be in Vista and does not depend WinFS. WinFS is the new relational file system that has been pulled from the initial Vista release. So, depending on what portions of TCI make it into Vista, DRM concerns could be addressed.
  5. jcricket

    jcricket New Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    I agree that, at this point, the best DVRs are "single purpose" computers that don't run a Windows or Macintosh OS (i.e. a Tivo). I see this trend being true for a while. To be fair, most people who have a "Media Center PC" in their living room may also have a laptop for general web surfing, email, etc. To me it makes more sense right now to have the mostly single-purpose boxes (Tivo, R15, HR20) that can be extended a tiny bit (via HMO, TTG) to add functionality, not trying to shoe-horn an entire DVR on top of a PC.

    Existing single-purpose DVRs (Tivos, R15s, etc.) meet a core need (time shifting), and often in enhanced ways (dual tuners, MRV). They also don't interfere with channel surfing, and often enhance surfing (30-90 minute dual buffers, pausing).

    Media Center PCs meet needs that few people have, like streaming their music collection, looking at photos, etc. on your "living room TV". Those are "interesting, but not super compelling". And, so far, the PC-based DVRs don't do time-shifting/pausing/buffering all that well.

    Maybe, if we can all purchase or subscribe to any TV show and download it viua the Internet, instead of just recorded a broadcast from OTA, cable or satellite, a Mac or PC-based "media center" will be a more natural interface for your living room media viewing.

    At any rate, I'm sticking with the DVR from the provider for now, because the investment is so much smaller. If someone comes out with a really good "all-in-one" box (DVR, DVD player/recorder, streams music, views photos, basic web surfing) at a reasonable price down the road, maybe I'll switch to that (could be the Series 3, but I doubt it, because of price concerns) . Of course, Comcast, D* and E* could all just add MRV and HMO features to their DVRs and moot one of the main reasons to get your "own" Series 3 Tivos.
  6. David Ortiz

    David Ortiz Yankee Fan

    Jul 8, 2002
    Fresno, CA
    IIRC, you can capture from WMP if you turn off the use overlays option. Tools, Options, Performance, Advanced ... , Video Acceleration section
  7. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    Thanks. A picture of what was on stage would probably not be very exciting anyway. It was not a live demo.
  8. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

    Feb 5, 2001
    I've got 5+ terabytes of media stored on my PC, two wiring closets, and my whole house wired (mostly gigabit ethernet - every room has 2xRG6QS and 2xCat5e/Cat6 - no fiber).

    I use my PC to stream my music, DVD, home movies, and picture library to my TV's via a few different methods (I've tried just about every media player out there). This just barely works today, and just as a media player.

    As for the PC being a central Tivo-like device, we're far far far away from that. The technical constraints are significant:
    - No CableCard PC card yet
    - No Satellite PC card yet (I'll bet ever)
    - Limited PCI slots for tuner-cards
    - MCE limited to two HD tuners - and they just increased that from one (in a central server, you need to allow 3-4)
    - HD OTA cards only single tuner, and only like 2 supported by MCE
    - You need an SD OTA tuner card no matter what else you have, and they all need to use the same guide data
    - The Video card/Tuner card driver nonsense with MCE
    - MCE's short-sighted vision on how a central DVR should work
    - Streaming multiple streams from a server in most people's homes (who have Wireless B or G, which could maybe support 2 SD streams or 1 HD stream reliably)
    - Media Center Extenders are a total joke (haven't tried the 360 yet)
    - Microsoft's limited support for media formats
    - Limitations imposed by DRM, and Microsoft's insane following of it

    And so on. The best media players are the Open Source ones, but those won't work for the general consumer.

    So it'll be years, or maybe a generation, before a PC DVR server is a reality for most consumers (at least the reality that some of us envision). I'll be able to build one in a year or so that might actually work, but it'll be a hodge-podge.

    In the mean time, dedicated DVR's are here to stay. The one caveat is the dedicated DVR server - this might also work (that UCentric thing, or the NDS announcement). But not a PC DVR.

    PC as a media server - yes. PC as a central DVR's - not except in the most techie of homes.
  9. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

    Aug 18, 2002
    SE PA
    I'm glad to see I'm not really 'missing' that much with this PC stuff. It plain doesn't apply to me even if perfected except perhaps feeding my other 2 tvs on the rare occasion i watch them. The rg59 already in the house plus a distribution amp is just fine for that remote viewing.
  10. garywj

    garywj New Member

    May 3, 2005

    I was told by 2 different D* reps that there are no new national HD feeds planned until at least 2007. They are too busy with the local HD feeds and VOD plans.
  11. Brona

    Brona New Member

    Jul 17, 2005

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  12. Brona

    Brona New Member

    Jul 17, 2005
    WinFS was a greatly interesting thing to me. If you are also interested in this structure, I recommend you give a glance at this source ww,ntfs,com

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