Tivo is a VIIV partner. VIVV <> MCE Extender, it's almost a competitor. Sticking a DirecTV logo on something is meaningless. Unless they had a box to demo, it's 18+ months out, if ever. Tivo had a real Series 3 SA HD box to demo. That's the only thing in all this discussion that's believable. Did DirecTV even have an MPEG-4 HD DVR there? I haven't heard anything about it.