Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. gpg

    gpg New Member

    Oct 3, 2000
    Dix Hills, NY


    Add me to the list of those who has an HR10, but now prefers the HR20. I have a standalone series 1 TIvo bought back in 1999 which I replaced with DirecTV Tivos (3 SD and 1 HD) over the last 7 years. I wanted DirecTV to stick with Tivo, but I decided to give the HR20 a try. Now I'm thinking about swapping out the HR10 for a second HR20!

    I never thought I would say that.
  2. DeathRider

    DeathRider New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Boston Area RCN
    What's that saying, "You learn from other people's mistakes"...

    Not that D* reversed engineered a TiVo, but I doubt they started from scratch...

    Thing is, does Verizon help any, since some fault can be pinned on their end for not properly supporting 3rd party products/cablecard implementation.

    Not too many optios...from what I heard, Sprint is eventually axing iDEN and going VoIP for direct connect.

    I know more and more people are forgoing having a wired phone. I myself have been without a landline for 10 years...

    If I can get a package of data/tv/wireless for Verizon, I'd be set. Of course, I already get 20% off VZW due to work, so I guess their tv/data package would have to beat RCN for me ;)

    When these new HD channels broadcast HD 24/7, I'll worry. Not all do.

    What about D* and HDlite? Maybe when their Mpeg4 satellites go up and if they go back to full HD, I may consider it a viable option. That's like sticking a 4 cylinder in a Mustang and wanting to race a GT500 for pinks...

    Latest commercials, they state future capacity of 150HD channels, not claiming there will be that many channels ;)

    My S3 has had only 2 minor hiccups in the past month of ownership. I haven't seen any mention of SDV from RCN, I don't watch much sports, and the only encrypted HD channels are Discovery, HDNET, HDNMOV. I could always do QAM, manually record the other HD channels and forgo guide data (I could use the SD channel guide data to go by).

    My brother got the moto 6412 because it would be "good enough" and was cheap (only $3/month more than the digital converter box - he has an HD monitor, so no built in tuner). Works much better since RCN upgraded to Passport OS. Still quirky though.

    His brother in law had a tivo for years. He also went with a Comcast DVR. I told him about the future TiVo software rollout, so he's going to keep an eye out for it.

    Thing with cars, theoretically, it can become a safety issue. Like I want to "reboot" my car's computer while driving 65MPH down the highway :eek: ;)

    It's disturbing ppl are settling for "good enough" and that it's better to go cheap than go for quality.
  3. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    It is not a matter of cost of the front line CSR support, it is in the cost of making advanced software features (to nearly compete with cable) work. Having a practically unified platform makes that easier and cheaper.
  4. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

    Nov 18, 2000

    It's got bugs ...I can deal with those. But it misses recordings; not all the time, but every now and then. It'll record CSI and Gray's Anatomy, and then miss Hero's or Lost.

    Has it gotten better? Yes. Point is though, it's still not dependable and many have come to accept a "missed recording every now and then." To me, that's not acceptable....
  5. tnedator

    tnedator New Member

    Dec 3, 2003


    No dual buffers would suck on Sunday's during football season, as I usually flip back and forth between sunday pregame shows, pausing one, flipping to the other and fast forwarding to parts of the shows that I like, then pausing flipping to the next, etc.

    Also, what about the 50 season pass limitation? Has that been expanded? That would be another killer for me.

    Having said that, allowing more than 50 season passes, but without the ability to put a larger hard drive in might not make sense either.

    We tend to record 'most' network programs, and all new shows, and then over the course of the network season, see what we think of the new shows and either watch them, or delete them. Sometimes we have 15 episodes of something stored before we ever watch the pilot. A 250 gig hard drive just doesn't cut it for the way we record and delay watching network shows.
  6. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    ahhh- thanks for the brief and simple explanation.
  7. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Just FYI that you can plug in an eSata drive for as much storage as you want. There have been a few that have put 2 750 gig drives in a Raid enclosure for 1.5 tb of space. Fill er up!
  8. Mark Lopez

    Mark Lopez Just click ignore

    Jan 1, 2000
    Hondo TX
    No, I never said you couldn't complain. My only point is that Tivo still has issues after 7 years and yet the Tivo lemmings will praise it as if it has no problems at all. But yet the HR20 which is still maturing, is constantly called a POS for having some issues after just a few months of service. I seriously doubt we will have to wait anywhere near 7 years for a product that is more stable and has more features than Tivo has or will ever have.

    I'll actually agree with this. But at least D* is learning from them. Tivo should try that instead of just stagnating.
  9. tnedator

    tnedator New Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    Cool, that's half the battle. How about the initial release having a limit of 50 season pass entries? I have more than that.
  10. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Yep, that's a limit. Why? Who really knows. My guess is that in early testing anything over 50 causes instability or something. Again, just a guess. There is a big thread on DBSTalk about it. But having more then 50 didn't rate all that high on the big wishlist. I personally think we watch a lot of TV but we only have 31. I guess we don't watch as much as I think. :)

    But DirecTV is listening to the community and have already given us one of the top 5 items on the wishlist and they are working at 10 more off the list (or so our fearless leader hints at). Dual Buffers are not off the list to be added either. To me, even with it's problems that some people have, DirecTV is actually listening to the users, working with us closely on test releases, and taking to heart our wants and needs. I'd be pretty confident that unless the 50 limit is because of some sort of problem they can't fix that it will be lifted at some point.

    And now we're getting the lowdown on the new FTM solution (only needing one cable for dual tuners) that should be out in a few months. And before you ask, only the newer receivers are FTM capable. Tivo's are not, they are too old.

    I feel real good about DirecTV right now working closely with the user community.
  11. SeattleCarl

    SeattleCarl New Member

    Nov 10, 2005
    Wishlists and suggestions are of no importance to me. The very first thing I did when I got my first Tivo was turn suggestions off. I'm a light duty user by any definition, perhaps a half dozen season passes/series links. Have trouble even watching that much most of the time.

    I am one of the HR20 champions. I've got two and love the box. The only problem I've had are audio dropouts, and that appears to be fixed with the latest test version of the software.

    I do like dual live buffers, and that is the single/only thing I find lacking on the HR20 compared to Tivo. Overall I prefer the GUI, menu structure, and overall operation of the HR20.

    More importantly though, DirecTV is moving HD to MPEG4, with the anticipated addition of many new HD channels later this year. The only DVR that will work with that is the HR20. Some have commented that when their Tivo's no longer work with D*, that is when they will leave. That's certainly your option. Others have chosen to work with the HR20 and with DirecTV in trying to identify and remove the problems, and add the features that are most important. It is possible that the HR20 will see dual live buffers. It is possible it won't, but at least DirecTV is considering it while they deal with the more important problems that impact basic reliability which some have experienced.

    Someone asked what percentage of DirecTV customers used Tivo. The last numbers I have seen indicated something like 2.5 million Tivos out of 16 or so million subs, which is about 15%. I don't know how many of those are HD subscribers, but I'm sure it is a small percentage. I have no doubt that DirecTV realizes how critically important it is to have a reliable HD DVR that is acceptable to the "average" user. That is why they are putting the effort into the HR20 that they are, and are listening to user input on what is important feature wise. The time frame to get the HR20 solid is much shorter than is the timeframe to get the SD DVR, the R15 equally solid. The reason is the addition of all the new HD channels this year. They are going to be forced to deal with upgrading HD Tivo subscribers much sooner (a year or two) than they are going to be forced to deal with upgrading SD Tivo subscribers, except for the trickle that have DVR's fail and get replacements.

    So, if you are a diehard Tivo fan, and nothing else is going to cut it for you, then it would seem you are a limited time D* subscriber. That's fine, do what you need to do and go where you need to go.

    On the other hand, if you are otherwise happy with D*, and are looking forward to a significant growth in HD channel offerings, then you need to start looking at the HR20 as the direction you need to go. Hopefully it will be satisfactory for you when the time comes that you have to make the change. You can help make it that way, or you can sit back and complain and fight it each step of the way.

    Good luck whichever path you choose.

  12. Cudahy

    Cudahy New Member

    Mar 21, 2001
    If Directv cared about their customers they would give them a choice; let Tivo put out a combatible mpeg4 TivoHD.
    In addition to the wishlists, the peanut remote has become like an extension of my hand. Looking over the HR20 remote it looks like a real downgrade(though not as bad as most remotes).
  13. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

    Nov 18, 2000

    What kind of time frame do they start with? The R15 has been out for over a year (not certain of the exact time) and it still has problems ...which they are seemingly ignoring.
  14. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Here is my prediction:

    The R15 will be phased out.

    The R15 was pure NDS code and it sucked. No doubt about it. But again some people have not had many issues with it but I think overall everyone will agree it needs help.
    Thus why with the HR20 they did it in house, no NDS code.

    My guess is that once the HR20 is super solid you'll see an SD version based off the HR20 code, perhaps the "R20" that will replace the R15 all together. That just might be easier then trying to fix it.

    Just complete and utter speculation on my part, I have no inside knowledge of anything.
  15. Citivas

    Citivas Old Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    If you're 10-250 is in good working order and D* allows it, I will trade you my HR20 for your 10-250.
  16. vMAC

    vMAC New Member

    Aug 4, 2006
    I think that your analogy is wrong for two reasons. First you are leaving out a very important aspect; the money. So while we may be a minor part of the DirecTv population I would assume (because I have no facts supporting or contradicting my thought) that Tivo users are spending more money than the typical DirecTV customers. It would seem to me that your friends who don't know that they really have a VIP or a R20 and just call them Tivos aren't spending $80+ on service. I would say that the people who are on this board and complaining about no Tivo are spending a lot of money with DirecTV. The reason the other people don't know that they don't really have a Tivo is because they just took whatever the installer brought them that worked with their $34.99 a month plan.

    This is not necessarily a problem with your mom but a problem with the branding of Tivo. See I love me a Sony TV and have two of them, I also have a Vizio TV but I love the menu's that come with the Sony TV and wouldn't buy another Vizio because their menu's suck and you can't change the finer aspects of the TV. The UI for the HR20 is the worst that I have ever used, but then again I've only used a Tivo and a Sony UI for DVR's. So to me it isn't worth the extra channels which could come, could not come in the future with DirecTv. I want and prefer the Tivo UI and that's all that's to it, if someone can reproduce it so that it only takes me 2-3 keypresses to setup a SP as it does for my Tivo then I will be a fan of them.
  17. RARamaker

    RARamaker New Member

    Dec 1, 2000
    Grandville, MI
    I agree with your predictions with one exception - when the HR20 code is solid, the HR20 team will port the software to the R15 and boot NDS. NDS was useful when they needed a DVR fast to replace TiVo, but now DTV seems to want full control.

  18. Howie

    Howie Out of Pocket TCF Club

    May 3, 2004
    San Antonio
    When you're in the guide and have a program selected, just hit the record button twice and voila! Season pass (or Series Link, in HR20 lingo). All the while you can be watching another program at the same time. Much easier than with the HR10.
  19. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Yep, all of two key presses on the HR20. All of 2 seconds, maybe. Must faster then the Tivo. In fact, if you pull up the guide, go to say HBO and arrow to the left and hit info. This will pull up all the movies on HBO for the next week. Scroll thru and one touch record any and all movies you want. I can setup dozens of movies in less then a minute.

    Anyway.... :D
  20. chris22

    chris22 Snowboard Dude

    Aug 31, 2006
    but do they really record?

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