Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. Feb 19, 2007 #61 of 625
    cheer

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    If you're looking for significant improvement under Malone, you're wearing rose-colored glasses. John Malone ran TCI until he managed to hoodwink AT&T into acquiring it, and it was a mess.

    The term "blowhard" is thrown around all too often these days...
     
  2. Feb 20, 2007 #62 of 625
    Cmmsh

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    I have had my HR10-250 since June, and I haven't had to reboot once. I have, on the other hand, had to reboot BOTH of my DirecTV DVRs at least 10 times each over that time span. The day I can't use my TiVo is the day D* loses a customer. (I know they don't care.)
     
  3. Feb 20, 2007 #63 of 625
    bonscott87

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    Yea, as posted above Malone ran the worst cable company to ever grace this planet, TCI, by alienating his customers, refusing to spend any money to upgrade the systems and pretty much running it into the ground.

    I keep seeing people posting about how Malone is the great saviour and just laugh. :)

    Thing is, Malone has already stated he is already looking for a buyer for DirecTV, to "turn" it. He'll most likely only keep DirecTV long enough to keep the tax breaks and then will unload it. If he decided to make a change day 1 in reguards to a new receiver by the time the first one made it off the production line he'll probably no longer own the company.

    Again, there is no huge outcry that there is no Tivo and they aren't shedding customers like crazy. There is no reason why he'd even consider Tivo unless the HR20 is a complete failure. It's already very stable with the last couple software updates and keeps getting better. So unless they implode in the next 6 months Tivo just isn't going to happen.
     
  4. Feb 20, 2007 #64 of 625
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    has HE ever said that himself- all I've seen is a bunch of analysts speculating?

    One analyst said he was likely to buy up content like rsn's and rainbow/voom and then sell the pacakage to versizon or comcast or ATT so they could get the content package. That's totally stupid- if ATT or Verizon or Comcast wants content they could just buy rainbow or rsn's themselves- why wait for directv to buy it up and create a big conglomerate with content and a delviery system? Why would any of them want a satellite system to go along with the content which would duplicate their own wired video efforts in much of the country. I think it's just some ananlysts talkign out their butts.
     
  5. Feb 20, 2007 #65 of 625
    Sir_winealot

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    +1.

    If you post at DBS about HR20 problems, a horde of "mine works great" D* apologisits land squarely on your head, so continually posting your problems is a lesson in futility.

    Certainly it gets to them, but there is no real degree of empathy, that's for sure. Threads subsequently get into a heated debate and then closed, so that much of the negativity is not visible.
     
  6. Feb 20, 2007 #66 of 625
    ebonovic

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    Tinley...

    While there are some cases like that...
    The VAST majority of when you see the "hordes" is when their are claims that it is a POS or they are never going to get it fixed.... Which brings out the "mine works great".

    Just like when someone says they have an issue... and people reply, well the TiVo never had that problem...

    And it is not like it doesn't happen here either... Just like when people started to post issues with 6.3... you saw the posts... "works fine here", ect...



    And yes... I have ACTIVELY asked anyone and everyone to post their issues with the unit... even if they have reported it before... after each release.
     
  7. Feb 20, 2007 #67 of 625
    Billy66

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    Mine works great. ;) But +1 to the good Sir Whinealot.

    Frustrated problem posts are taken as attacks and then the issue never really gets discussed very well. We see that here too. It's too bad because everyone just wants to build a knowledge base upon which we all can benefit.

    There seems to be an emotional connection to everyone's individual choice (whether there or here), that keeps us from getting that done very well.

    I like that box, that is known, but experiences like SWA's and Citivas' exist and do not come with a repeatable explanation. That worries me and prevents me from being able to reccomend someone pay for it.
     
  8. Feb 20, 2007 #68 of 625
    askewed

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    DirecTV looses us when our HD TiVos give out if they don't go back to TiVo. I'll get FIOS.
     
  9. Feb 20, 2007 #69 of 625
    Billy66

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    TiVo does not support Fios.
     
  10. Feb 20, 2007 #70 of 625
    MichaelK

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    tivocommunity- it's like crack- huh? You cant keep away can you?!? LOL

    Nice to see you pop up again, I thought you were gone for good.

    :)
     
  11. Feb 20, 2007 #71 of 625
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    Our household is echoing a lot of what others have posted. I started with a standalone Sony SVR-2000 6 years back or so.. we switched to DirecTV after being tired of the poor quality and service of Time Warner. The bonuses of going to DirecTV were able to get the Sunday Ticket and dual tuner DirecTiVos!

    Two years back, we got our HDirecTiVo and have been very happy with it overall.

    Now, we're not feeling we're getting our money's worth out of Sunday Ticket and are basically waiting for our commitment to end and the MPEG-2 HD streams to be dropped. While it pains us to do it, we'll be leaving DirecTV mainly because of their lack of commitment to TiVo, especially in the HD realm. I'm a TiVo fan, but not a fanboy.. somewhere in between. :) If a new MPEG-4 DirecTiVo were offered, we'd probably stick around...
     
  12. Feb 20, 2007 #72 of 625
    MichaelK

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    not officially.

    unoffically they seem to try and help people as best they can.

    Also, at worst they "unsupport" it like they did years ago for broadband. It worked fine for the vast majority but if you did have a problem and called in they would give you the party unsupported line. (which if you are one of the few with a problem is a major problem for sure)

    And for those that are not aware- it's basically the FCC's fault. Tivo complies with the cablecard standard. Verizon FIOS attempts to mimic cable card (and since moto is apparently their headend provider it's not a big stretch)- but since the FCC permitted cablelabs to create the standards and cablelabs wont let a phone company like verizon be join, verizon is out in the dark. So if verizon does something outside of the cablelabs specs then Tivo may not be able to tweak their system to handle it. Had the FCC grown a pair years back and decided to make ANSI or IEEE or some other 3rd party the standard creator then maybe we would have a single system today that actually worked, was 2-way, and that everyone could build to: cable, telco, maybe even DBS. ...
     
  13. Feb 20, 2007 #73 of 625
    Sir_winealot

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    That's what I just don't understand, the emotional connection thing. I've seen some really heated stuff (in both forums) ...albeit more recently over there ...where people get downright nasty in defense of the thing.

    I see plenty of excuses too, "well TiVo has also had its problems."

    Who cares?

    If it works ...and works well ...I'm there. But unfortunately for me it (thus far) has not, so after nearly 6 months of DL after DL I'm concerned (that they are never going to get it fixed), because after all ....the HR20 is the future of D*, and I am a D* customer.

    I don't want to leave for another provider, I want it to work. Until it does I'll not have anything positive to say about it.
     
  14. Feb 20, 2007 #74 of 625
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    My HR10-250 rebooted while recording Lost last week. Luckily I had the HR20 upstairs recording it as well and didn't miss the final 10 minutes.

    I have had the HR20 for about 2 months and had one reboot during the first week and it has yet to miss a recording. Checking the other message boards reveals plenty of people who have a problem but some seem to be compaining about issues they had 6 months ago and give no aknowledgement that the device has improved. Tivo on the other hand... bad guide data caused a couple misses and the occasional reboot has messed at least one recording up.

    Oof course there will be compaints followed by defenders, how many people go the internet to set up a thread when they have product that works? I just get sick to death of the HR20 bashers saying it doesn't work when it clearly does in many if not most cases while at the same time ignoring Tivo's miss steps on a box that has been in the market for years compared to months.

    I am about to order my second HR20 for the third TV and get rid of the old non DVR box and have no reservations about it at all since Tivo has no future with D* once the MPEG4 starts up. If you want to switch to cable to stay with Tivo and pay the subscription fees with it go ahead, I just don't think the Tivo product is any better than the HR20.
     
  15. Feb 20, 2007 #75 of 625
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    FWIW, my HR10-250 works just fine (albeit on 3.1.5f). :D (Sorry, I couldn't resist).
     
  16. Feb 20, 2007 #76 of 625
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    No, it works for you, and to say it works in "most cases" is clearly erroneous information, because you (like everybody else) have absolutely no idea whether that's true or not.

    And what does it have to do with "ignoring TiVo's (sic) miss steps?"

    The box needs to stand on its own, and it either works properly (ie, can perform the basic DVR function of recording and playing back), or it doesn't. For me, it does not ...I cannot speak for anybody else, but 'me' is all I really care about :D .

    It currently misses (or has unwatchable) roughly 1/3 of my series links, and that's just not acceptable to me right now.

    Trust me, I wouldn't be bitchin' about the thing if it worked properly!
     
  17. Feb 20, 2007 #77 of 625
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    Well I can't imagine Comcast buying it (or even being allowed to), but Verizon or AT&T makes total sense.

    Yes, they are creating their own wired efforts, but "much of the country" is a misstatement. AT&T will never expand U-Verse into, say, New Jersey and Verizon will never expand FIOS into, say, Illinois.

    AT&T already has a partnership with Dish (both as a reseller of Dish and as part of their "Homezone" bundle -- this partnership was established by SBC), and the specific purpose of that partnership is to sell into other states or even their own states where U-Verse is not yet available. They also have an older existing partnership with DirecTV in some areas. They don't have a national content delivery system, and DirecTV would give them one.

    Given their strong financials of late, I could see them making a play for D*.
     
  18. Feb 20, 2007 #78 of 625
    bonscott87

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    That's not really what I see overall.

    When I see that it's when people post a flame ("POS") and not actually describing the problem and asking for help. I see plenty of posts almost daily of people calmly posting their problem and then getting lots of help and suggestions.

    But when someone comes on and simply posts "this this is a POS and doesn't work" and when then asked for what their specific problem is are totally silent (thus a troll) or simply post their flame again....well....what do you expect back in return? Post a flame and you're bound to get flame back.
    Post for help with details and you will get help.
     
  19. Feb 20, 2007 #79 of 625
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    ATT might since they aren't gung ho into video yet. But seriously does it make sense for verizon to buy a national delivery method when they plan to cover more households then comcast with fiber? It makes no sense for comcast you are duplicating 25% of the country and paying fat money to do it. The same holds true for Versizon. The price you pay for Directv is based on the number of subs, if it suits you better move 25% of them to your wired infrastructure then you are overpaying 25% to buy Directv. Anyone with a significant wired video business would be stupid to buy a DBS company in my HUMBLE opinion.

    I guess if you are Verizon and you think you have maxed out the 25% wired households that you can cover and you think your only option to survive is to buy a nationaly delivery system then that's what you do. But if you can make an argument that you will die without it then you can probably talk the fcc and ftc and everyone else into letting you Merge with ATT or Qwest. But I'd think they are a long way off from that. But even then you could go the Sprint route and built a nationwide WiMax network for 4-5 billion and get a TWO WAY wireless infracture over the whole country. and still just pay a fraction of the 30 billion that directv is vallued at today. Assuming it costs you $600 to get a new sub (that's about what Directv spends- then you could BUY the 15 million subs directv has for around 9 billion- so for half the cost you could build a nationwide wireless network and 15 million video subs and you could see broadband and phone over that 2 way network instead of just sendign one way video.

    What do I know though, I'm a working stiff... :)
     
  20. Feb 20, 2007 #80 of 625
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    First, not sure how you define "gung ho," but AT&T has made video a huge priority, and they plan to rollout fast -- much faster than Verizon has.

    Comcast has a much larger chunk of the country than Verizon does. In fact, the driving force behind either AT&T or Verizon grabbing a video delivery network would be competing directly with Comcast and other cablecos. Comcast et al have started going after telco revenue, and the telcos are going to come back at them -- hard. The telcos believe the ultimate answer is bundling, and they simply cannot bundle outside of their territories without an alternative like satellite. AT&T and Verizon both now have wholly-owned cellular companies that they can use to offer "quadruple play" bundles of voice, video, data, and cell, and AT&T's big driver to snap up Bellsouth was because they wanted the rest of Cingular.

    You can't look at it as "duplicating 25% of the country." FIOS doesn't cover 25% of the country, or anywhere near it. Neither does U-Verse. Acquire DirecTV, and in less than a year you've got a footprint in all 48 states. (This is why AT&T is starting to really push Homezone, even in its own territories, as logistics and politics mean the Lightspeed buildout still has a very long way to go.) Building your own WiMax network sure won't do that. WiMax isn't even "there" yet -- you mention Sprint, but Sprint won't cover the entire country with it, and all they've said is that they're investing $3b in it over the next three years. AT&T and Verizon won't merge, even if the FCC and Justice Department would permit it (and I bet they would not), and while one or the other could gobble up Qwest, that still doesn't get full US coverage.

    Buying the subs does you no good if you've got nowhere to put them.
     

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