Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. RS4

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    Very well stated. I believe that reflects the feelings of many of us.
     
  2. ebonovic

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    So.... Comparing to an SA-DT TiVo unit (as this list would increase if we compared it to a DTiVo)

    -) Same channel / Single Tuner channel overlap... This allows you to pad your recordings, for back to back shows on the same channel... without having to use your 2nd tuner. FANTASTIC for NBC and SCI-FI that don't respect their stated times.
    -) DirecTV On Demand (Which is now available to the public with the current software update for the HR20-700)
    -) Caller-ID on Screen
    -) Mark and Delete
    -) Group Play
    -) Disk Space Monitor
    -) Simultanous SD/HD Outputs (multiple HD outputs simultantious as well)
    -) Closed Captioning Font and Color Options


    YOU personally may not view some of these as significant... but others do.
     
  3. bonscott87

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    I think your question may have been answered already but the internal drive isn't used when you use an external, the external replaces it.
    If your internal dies you can get a replacement HR20 sent to you. Advantage of the lease.
    And you can indeed replace the internal drive if you wanted to. Just plop a new drive off the shelf and it takes care of the rest. Must easier to just plug in a eSata drive.

    And if you decide to get rid of the HR20 the eSata drive you have can now be easily used on your computer. Plug it in, format it and you're on your way. :)
     
  4. newsposter

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    do you need to have a hooked up/working sata before your machine crashes?
     
  5. sjberra

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    that is a very good question, don't recall ever seeing it asked before.

    Hazarding a guess, since the internal drive is disconnected as soon as you connect a esata drive, it has to load the base system from someplace, would guess a eprom, if this is true, then it should work the way you speak.
     
  6. ebonovic

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    The operation/system software is on chip... and is not on the hard drive at all.

    You will lose any of your customizations (like favorites, Series Link settings, ect...)

    But the system should still boot, and recognize the external.
     
  7. milominderbinder

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    Ronald,

    In addition to 70 national HD channels, HD Local Channels via satellite, MPEG4 nearly doubling HD recording time...

    Are these HR20 features in the HR10?
    ● Quicker Response - no more of TiVo’s constant “Please Wait” messages
    ● Quick Record - Press ® RECORD. Done!
    ● Quick Series Link - Press ® RECORD twice to set up a Season Pass! Done!
    ● Hard Drive Usage Meter (%) in My Playlist shows how much space you have left.
    ● All video outputs are available at the same time
    ● Better Conflict Resolution - If you record a 3rd show at one time, choose to delete either previous or new requests!
    ● Soft Buffering - Extend a first show a few minutes longer and start next show a few minutes early-on two channels.
    ● Bookmarks - Bookmark a great play or a funny line to jump back to later.
    ● Picture In List - Watch TV while in the Guide or My Playlist (Now Showing)
    ● DIRECTV On Demand offers hundreds of additional programs
    ● You only have to connect a phone line for Pay Per Views
    ● Caller ID - Caller ID on screen pop-up option
    ● Single Wire Multi-switch is just stating to roll out
    ● Remote booking through DIRECTV website
    ● Remote can be either RF or IR
    ● Group Delete
    ● Group Play
    ● Interactive channels
    ● Faster Fast Forward and Rewind speeds

    Some things that still need to be fixed on the HR20:
    ● The ability to edit "all the programs" in the Prioritizer (even when there are no upcoming episodes) - manual p. 28.
    ● Title Search Autorecord - manual pp. 20 & 31 & release notes for 0x115, 0x119, & 0x11b
    ● The PREV button should be able to go back and forth between recordings - manual pp. 4, 11
    ● 30 Second Slip (Advance) is 34 Seconds, not 30 Seconds.

    The page numbers show where the manual promises these features.

    - Craig
     
  8. newsposter

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    Thanks, they come around every once in a decade or two :)

    Clearly a more quick way to get up and running, superior to even having a backup tivo drive in your drawer :) Quick trip to the store for a drive and I'm back up and running. I love it.

    Now if someone could just develop (an EZ) way to RAID the internal and external so we could have 100% backup, that would be perfect!
     
  9. newsposter

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    I just had to add some newbie comments in case there are other newbies out there wondering about things like I did before I added my HR20. My comments are in ( ) and again, this is just a 2 week users opinion so others in my shoes know what to expect when getting their new machine. Not meant to debate merits thereof.

     
  10. ebonovic

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    Same would be true with the TiVo unit, if that conflict happens outside the 14days.
    When scheduling your recordings, your new Series Link is put at the bottom of your recording list... and depending on how you set the link, it will show you the conflict for the first recording.

    So yes... something at the later periods of the 14 day will most likely NOT show the conflict information.

    That first click setups a single record instantly, and will show you a conflict resolution screen.

    For the opposite reason why the TiVo is slow... it doesn't chug at exactly that moment... in the primary user interaction moment, through the 10,000's of entries in the guide data, to find the entire 14 days worth of scheduling.

    It does in a background process at a later time.

    Example: Set CHUCK to record 2 minutes LONG... SET HEROES to record 2 minutes early.

    The HR20 will only use 1 tuner to record both of those shows... instead of using the second tuner.

    Hit PAUSE, then GREEN while in playback of a record content.
    Basically creates a custom skip-to-tick mark

    See DBSTalk... we have a dedicated forum, to help you get started... or get you the information you need.

    See the Cutting Edge area of DBSTalk, as yes you can do it now (and have been able to for about a month now, if you take part in the trials)

    Select a GROUP... hit RED to DELETE
    Select a GROUP... hit PLAY to group play in chronological order (of record date)
     
  11. newsposter

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    {thanks for the other misc. info..my comments in brackets above}
     
  12. ebonovic

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    Yes... I can see where a show doesn't have a consistant airing time... or you happen to catch a show during it's repeat cycle...

    But for most cases.. (I would have to think the larger percentage)... that next airing would have the same conflicts as teh airing in 14 days.

    But yes.. I can understand that issue with it having to do the "complete" scheduling at a later time.


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    As for the overlap...

    They basically use the same tuner... and dual write the content to both of the file streams for the two recordings, during the overlap period.

    Yes... you can overlap two shows on the same channel (since it is the same data stream)... and record a third.

    The key is that they are on the same channel (CHUCK AND HEROES) are on the same channel.
     
  13. terpfan1980

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    I thought it was Ronald (and I'll keep using that...) or perhaps the more formal Mr. McDonald.

    Nice list for comparison sake.
     
  14. bonscott87

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    Easy, it just does. ;) It's smart enough to know that it doesn't need to use both tuners to record 2 programs on the same channel. This *BY FAR* is my #1 feature of the HR20 over the DirecTivo's and trumps dual buffers any day of the week (for my family). Can't tell you how many times I was frustrated with the Tivo on Friday nights when there were overlapping shows on SciFi and thus it refused to record anything else cause it would use both tuners.

    And if you look in the ToDo list or MyPlaylist during that overlap time it will appear as if 3 things are being recorded at once.

    And you can also overlap 2 programs on the other tuner. So say you have 2 NBC shows, both overlap each other and also 2 CBS shows at the exact same times overlapping each other.
    Thus it records all 4 programs using just 2 tuners and in the ToDo list appears like it's recording 4 programs at once.

    Very cool feature.
     
  15. Lord Vader

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    I agree, Scott. I had forgotten about this feature until my unit did exactly that: it recorded two back-to-back shows on the same channel, clipping each one, so to speak. I was able to watch something on the other tuner, too, while this was occurring.
     
  16. ckelly33

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    What a disappointing thread. Judging from the title, i was hoping for something more than people tossing around their personal opinions like anyone cares.

    How about just voting with your $$$$ and closing this thread. $$$ is all DirecTV is gonna care about anyway. I am a TiVo fan and left DirecTV because of it. D*TV offers a TON more HD channels than my cable provider but most if not all of the additional channels are not channels I watch anyway. I'd still love to have them, but not at the cost of losing my TiVo....but I can understand that HD content might outweigh the benefits of TiVo to another.
     
  17. MichaelK

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    I'm objective- as I said I am on the fence to go back to the HR20 at directv- the only thing that keeps me with my S3's and cable at the end of the month with my triple play cheap pricing ends is inertia. So there's no need to try to insult me and imply I'm a "shill". As an example I just told my business partner who I previously talked into 2 SD directivos and wanted to upgrade to HD to get 2 HR20's instead of getting 2 Series3's with out local cable. He's a technological moron so if he has any problems I'll get 500 phone calls (i actually feilded about 5 from him already because of directv's idiot installers who said he had no line of site for the KU/Ka dish even though he already had a phase 2 working just fine- I could have easily had him get tivo and give me some referral points instead of telling him 3 different times to call back and demand a supervisor to get him installed- if I hated directv so much.

    THe "directv cap" is arguing the brand new HR20 is better then the 4 year old HR10. No Duh there's more features there- directv has been holding tivo back for several years from adding anything new. And even now that the SD directivos are getting "upgrade" the HR10 isn't- so of course all the S3 Tivo-like features on the HR20 are better.. I think the "tivo lovers" are arguing the current generation Tivo's are better than the S3. But most importantly the HR10 has no MPEG4 and that's why it's almost worthless.

    What are these more and better features that a CURRENT tivo doesn't have? no one seems to have mentioned anything that I see besides MPEG4. I see plenty that says it does everything just as good as tivo. But I dont see anything better mentioned (but to be honest- I'm not all that invested in the argument so I am not paying 100% attention to all this).

    Online programming- S3 has it. VOD S3 has it. PLayback my home video's and music. S3 has it. So seriously- what am I missing- maybe I'll go back to directv next month. My 3 or 4th we want you back offer just came in the mail today... THey seem pretty similar to me except the current tivo's have dual buffers and MRV and wishlist, and suggestions if people are into that. And then people's opinions about UI are subjective.

    commitments is silly to bring up- directv requires a 2 year commitment - what's your option with directv if you dont like their dvr- you have no option you suck it up for 2 years. there is no alternative dvr . Tivo gives you 30 days to bail and if you stay only a 1 year commitment. Both services subsidize their hardware (and in the case of directv installs) to a huge degree so that's why they lock people in. If Directv's MPEG4 service and HD DVR are so great they why lock people in for soo long?
     
  18. MichaelK

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    earl- thanks for laying out the facts.

    I think you should compare to an S3 or an HD Tivo for a "fair" comparison. WHy did you pick an sd unit? (doesn't matter only really effects simultaneous HD outputs).

    Directv on demand is a kin to tivocast and unbox in my head (plus I really wonder what comcast, time warner, verizon, att are going to do if people really start using directv's VOD on their bandwidth. As I understand currently their is nothing stoppign them from screwing with directv and making that stuff crap out. I dont think any of the net neutrality proposals have gone anywhere. THey also all have invisible bandwidth caps and who knows if you would trigger them if you start using vod alot.)

    I beleive that the tivo HD flavors have simultaneous SD and HD output as long as the cable compnay hasn't put flags on the content- NO? (sorry not a user of that feature so can't say)

    Same channel overlap sounds very cool. :up: :up: :up: (annoys the pee out of me on tivo when i have back to back ont eh same channel and I have to go to the other recording to catch the last 30 seconds or whatever)

    the other few things in my head dont quite amount to MRV but maybe to some they are more important.
     
  19. bonscott87

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    See Milo's post just a few before this one.
     
  20. MichaelK

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    sounds like there are a few other interesting features in there that Earl left out.
     

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