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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.
Check for yourself...
It was a case of carefully selected editing. Like a studio ad for a movie finding "great "quotes in an otherwise lousy movie review. /steve
You guys are all a piece of work
The original question from sluciani was:
I pointed to the original link and the only editing (which was clearly marked with the ...) was to select the section that specifically addressed the question regarding exploring other opportunities!! There was no change of that quote!! There was no changing of words and/or context!!
No change in context?
Ongoing development for the Series 2 platform is too key part of that statement to leave out, IMO. With that added, the part of the statement you did quote could also be interpreted as "TiVo is still under contract to provide services to D* through 2010, and we (D*) expect to get something back for the money we're paying them".
It's just unfortunate that as the D* transmission system continues to transition to MPEG-4, further development on an D* MPEG-2 box is not unlike buying new deck chairs for the Titanic. Now if the statement said they were working on a new box... that would be a different story. Just my .02. /steve
well there are roughly 2.5 million of those deck chairs still in use. If they can keep some of them in use longer with a few new features then they can save a lot of money in the long run.
Three of my units are series 2 (HDVR2 and HR10-250's) and should get the upgrade, yes?
The Sony SAT-T60 is a series 1 and will not be upgraded.
At the peak 18 months ago there were 200k DIRECTV MPEG2 HD TiVo boxes in the field. The other 2.2 million DIRECTV TiVo's are SD.
The 150k should still be able to get SD and OTA even after next August.
Here is the key quote from the TiVo - DIRECTV contract announcement 3/16/06:
TiVo Contract/Patent Licenses Extended Through 2010
TiVo (TIVO) announced yesterday that they have extended their agreement with DirecTV Group (DTV) for three years. In addition to this, both parties have agreed to not assert patent rights against each other. The previous agreement was due to expire in 2007.
DIRECTV has a license to the whole TiVo patent portfolio. Why buy the cow when you already have licensed all of the milk.
If TiVo wins the appeal against E*, the year 2010 will not get here soon enough.
There was a long discussion on this here when it was first released, believe the concensus was that the HR10 will recieve these upgrades, but that they would probalby be the last to recieve them - and the upgrade would not allow them to recieve the new channels.
DISH did not license the TiVo patents and is being sued by TiVo.
DIRECTV licensed the entire TiVo portfolio for development through 2010.
How does the DISH lawsuit impact DIRECTV's licensing of the patents?
TiVo Wins DISH Lawsuit
If TiVo wins it's lawsuit against DISH, DIRECTV would want to renew it's contract in 3 years to keep using the patents.
TiVo Loses DISH Lawsuit
If TiVo loses it's lawsuit with TiVo, DIRECTV may not need to renew the contract.
See the rest of the article for what Seeking Alpha was saying the impact of the contract was for TiVo.
Here is a new article on TiVo from this week:
Did the Comcast TiVo Really Launch This Week?
The newest HD DVR from DirecTV has been announced and is available for preorder. It's the HR21-700. It is also not Tivo based.
And still no DLB.
What is it you imagine will happen in 2010? Directv's patent deal goes forever. Only the contract went for three years. Do you really think DTV would invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a dvr that wouldn't have patent protection after 2010?
The 03/16/06 press releases from both companies state that DIRECTV will pay the $1 per month TiVo fees to TiVO through 2010, now about $30 million a year.
In addition to this, both parties have agreed to not assert patent rights against each other.
So DVR's or features for DVR's added after 2010 would not be covered under the agreement.
Starting in 2011, DIRECTV and TiVo will have to decide how to proceed with future contracts and development of future DVR's.
It's basically an HR20 with a faster cpu and no OTA. So yea, no DLB.
The bigger thing for this thread is that it's not Tivo based. DirecTV is spending millions and millions and even rolling out new DVR models that aren't Tivo based. To think they will do an about face just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Exactly. But only for future DVr's they manufacture, if they design them in such a way as to infringe the Tivo patent. Any of the millions they are currently churning out are grandfathered in for life. By then Directv will have a stack of their own DVR patents and they will offer to do a trade with Tivo for no money. Business as usual.
I wonder why DirecTV made this investment decision in the first place. Maybe they were concerned that TiVo might not survive much longer, and such an investment would be a good hedge against TiVo's unprofitable times and uncertain future. However, it's not like DirecTV will ever be able to out-TiVo the TiVo with a better product -- and the reviews clearly confirm this.
In my case I still have a standard def dtivo and have held off on getting HD. There isn't any absolute must-watch HD content that I feel I'm missing out on. Yeah, content is king, but where on DirecTV is the king-worthy HD content? Watching Dog Whisperer on NGC HD??? American Chopper on TLC HD???
When Fios is installed in my area, then I'll probably replace DTV with FiosTV get an S3 tivo with cable cards.
They don't have to at the end of the day. They simply need to make something that is "good enough" for the millions and millions that have never had a Tivo or don't care and just use whatever DVR is given to them.
Just depedns on your content. With the new HD channels added so far I've been able to convert over a dozen season passes to HD. And that doesn't count all the "network" HD and HD sports. HD content is indeed king and now in my household 98% of everything we watch is in HD. Good times indeed.
But then again we've had HD for 5 years now. HD has been #1 in this home for a long, long time.
its a no brainer. The CEO of D* had a stake in the NDS group which makes DVR's. He was just lining his pockets and making them deeper. He didn't care if TiVo had a more enjoyable user interface, he just cared about how he could profit more.
I hope the new majority owners (liberty group) see TiVo in a different light, and also don't have ties to NDS group.
Curious comment since only the R15 is NDS and neither the HR20 or the just recently released HR21 is