Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. Cudahy

    Cudahy New Member

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    Allowing Tivo to offer a higher priced alternative to the HR20 doesn't interfere in any way with what Directv is doing. If Malone IS open to a little more on the side Tivo probably already knows about it. There's more than one option. It could be a standalone Tivo that accesess Directv.
     
  2. RS4

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    In fact I'm sure many of the HR20 users will say it ain't nowhere close to being done - another 3 or 4 years!! :D
     
  3. RS4

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    In fact they would probably make a ton of money, because a lot of folks want to use the best and might decide to ditch the HR20, even if the HR10-251 mpeg4 is more expensive.

    Hmmm...I wonder what D* will do with all of those boat anchors...err HR20's - "That's ok, mr customer, you can keep it... heck we won't even charge you to keep it active, because we know it won't stay going for long" :D
     
  4. sjberra

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    Again "best" is a matter of opinion - the "best" thing that happened to one of the HR10's that I had was that it was replaced with a HR20-100.
     
  5. HiDefGator

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    Even if Directv offered to let Tivo make a standalone that would work with DTV, why would I pay Tivo $300+ for it when I can get the HR20 almost for free? I don't think Tivo would try to compete with free.
     
  6. rminsk

    rminsk TiVoted TiVo User

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    To reliably record programs...
     
  7. SullyND

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    The only way a new TiVo makes sense is as an alternate OS for the HR-20. Comcast will offer TiVo as an upgrade on their existing hardware. I would gladly pay 2x my DVR fee for all my DVRs to be TiVo.
     
  8. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    But whether the HR20-xxx is NDS or not is beside the point. The point is that its NOT Tivo, and it means that for every sub that scuttles his HR10 for a HR20, DTV doesn't have to pay $1.25 a month, every month, to Tivo, as they do now. The HR20 is still under Rupert's umbrella as part of hoizontal synergy within News Corp, and something they have great vested interest in, both monetarily and psychologically, and it therefore might be protected from competition in the terms of the sale. So Rupert may indeed have quite a lot of impact on what DVRs come from DTV for some time, or which might be precluded. The entire point of getting rid of Tivo and going to something else was only to get that lousy taste out of their mouths every time they have to pony up the $1.25.

    But, just because DTV found the terms of that agreement eventually inedible (seemed as if they must have thought it was a good idea at the time, originally), doesn't mean that Tivo and DTV couldn't forge a new agreement. Even if they still needed to pay Tivo $1.25, which is unlikely, they could recoup that as part of a high-end gourmet package, that most high-dollar customers that are also Tivo lovers would be glad to pay a couple bucks more for.
     
  9. brick33308

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    I don't get the user-hostile" comment and would like to hear examples of why you feel that way. I've had the HR20 for about 3 weeks, and my experience has been completely the opposite. Examples:

    1. Search function on HR20 is as easy to use as Tivo, and I like the fact that it saves searches which Tivo doesn't.

    2. While doing any searches or deleting items in the playlist, whatever you were watching before doing that maintenance (whether live or recorded tv) keeps playing in a small box in the upper right hand corner of the screen which Tivo doesn't. That's especially nice when watching live TV - you don't miss anything.

    3. Zipping through commercials is faster than Tivo.

    4. So far, I haven't had any shows that didn't record as planned.

    5. Adding an external hard drive couldn't have been easier. I simply connected a 750 gig drive with an eSATA cable, powered back up, and presto, I increased my recording capacity to about 120 hours of HD content. I heard Tivo can do this too, but it was nice to see that it worked so well and easily on the HR20.

    6. The HR20 has a "back" button which works like the "back" button on an internet browser. It will cycle backwards through whatever things you were doing before pushing the button. I find this pretty handy.

    I've read one of the big criticisms of the HR20 is that it doesn't have dual live buffers like the Tivo, however, this is a feature I never used on my non-HD Tivo, so I'm not bothered by not having it on the HR20.

    In short, I'm very happy with the HR20, especially because I fretted about giving up my beloved Tivo. It records all of DirecTV HD content beautifully and does everyting I want a recorder to do. Switching over and learning the ins and outs of the HR20 was fairly easy, especially because I found on the DBS forums a "survival guide" for former Tivo owners now using the HR20.

    If tomorrow DirecTV partnered with Tivo on a HD recorder that could record all the DirecTV HD channels, I wouldn't spend the money to switch. And frankly, if they offered to switch me for free to such a Tivo, I wouldn't take it.

    This is just my own experience and I realize others don't like the HR20 - I just don't understand why the rabid dislike for the HR20 which for me has been a fine replacement for Tivo.
     
  10. sjberra

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    have the same level of reliablity to record programs with the HR20 that I had with the HR10.
     
  11. sluciani

    sluciani TiVowner Since '99

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    Where did D* say they are exploring other opportunites with TiVo?

    Not a facetious question. If I missed this announcement, I would like to know more about it. /steve
     
  12. Cudahy

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    If $1.25 a month is all that's keeping Tivo and Directv apart, it's a no brainer.
    Their research should tell them how much more a month a large number of Tivo owners wouldl be willing to pay to get an HDtivo. My guess is it'll be around 3 to 4 dollars.

    Directv's own site mentioned that they are exploring ways to improve relations with Tivo.
     
  13. RS4

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    As I mentioned, I've seen it on my Tivos, gotten an automated phone call, and received an email. There is also a news release from DirecTV Tivo release

    ...Launching in early 2008, the new software download will provide these customers with DVR enhancements offered with the TiVo service, including a Recently Deleted Folder and Overlap Protection(TM), as well as DIRECTV's Remote Booking feature. In addition, DIRECTV and TiVo will continue to explore ways to bring future enhancements to DIRECTV customers with TiVo receivers.

    "It is important to us that our customers with TiVo service also have access to the latest DVR technology and we look forward to exploring additional opportunities with TiVo," said Derek Chang, executive vice president, Content Strategy and Development for DIRECTV, Inc.

    "DIRECTV's launch of these additional features underscores the uniqueness of TiVo's DVR service," said Naveen Chopra, vice president, Corporate Development and Strategy for TiVo. ...


    The above is part of the announcement from the web site. The statement by Derek Chang talks about other possibilities. I think the significant thing about the statement is that it also contains a statement from a Tivo exec. Clearly both companies are authorizing this joint statement.

    In Tivo's last investment call they were asked about the activities. They neither confirmed nor denied anything. In fact, he said the statement has been made by DirecTV. I'm wondering if they have signed a NDA, so neither company can say anything at the moment.
     
  14. Sir_winealot

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    I only wish that were the case in our household, as the HR20 still has to be continuously babysat.
     
  15. sjberra

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    For me it was the exact opposite, one of the fabled hr-10's got me so frustrated it went one on one with Mr Remington for personal satisfaction, and the other one is sitting in the kid's play room, which now that cartoon network is MPEG4, and acouple of disney and nik channels are due out soon, it will be relegated to the garage or the attic. Guess it all luck of the draw, although I am enjoying the new MPEG 4 channels on the unit.
     
  16. sjberra

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    missed something in that quote..

    "will develop a software upgrade to enhance the user experience for DIRECTV customers who have DIRECTV DVRs with TiVo(R) service built on the Series2(TM) platform."
     
  17. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    ... which, AIUI, excludes series 1 units like my Sony SAT-T60 (purchased in 1999) but includes my HDVR2 and two HR10-250's.

    Maybe I missed your point?
     
  18. Sir_winealot

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    We've finally just decided to unhook the HR20, and it's heading for a closet shelf. Although the new HD channels are decent, nobody in the family uses the thing anymore (except me) and since ...ONCE AGAIN... it missed recording Survivor, I've had it.

    Our HR10's will be utilized until D* fixes this friggin box (it's been out over a year, how much more time do they need!). :mad:
     
  19. sjberra

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    No you did not, he excluded the part of the quote that stated it was for the series 2 units only, so your units arte not getting any upgrade
     
  20. milominderbinder

    milominderbinder New Member

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    Wow.

    Why would anyone doctor an online quote? How could someone think no one would catch them at it.

    Oh well. Something to remember for the future.

    - Craig
     

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