Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. Feb 16, 2007 #21 of 625

    terpfan1980 It's Just TV TCF Club

    Jan 28, 2002
    Xbox Live:...


    And who really caused those problems?

    bzzzzt! if you said TiVo, you answered incorrectly.

    TiVo works fine if they don't have problems shoved at them due to changes made by DirecTV.
  2. Feb 16, 2007 #22 of 625

    berth New Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Beaverton, Or.
    Hello all,

    With the exception of the audio dropouts and an internal cable replacement, my original HDTivo has performed very well.

    My guess is that MOST of the HDTIVO owners are pretty happy with their machines.

    Right now my plan is to go to Verizon fiber and a Series 3 when they get it in my neighborhood. If Directv has some definitive plans for TIVO they should announce them ASAP. Then we can debate how credible their delivery dates are... Otherwise, there will be a $799 obstacle in my way back to Directv.

    HDTIVO early adopter #31

    regards, bert
  3. Feb 16, 2007 #23 of 625

    wilbur_the_goose New Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Remember, DirecTV doesn't 'own' NDS since Liberty took over. That could be a HUGE factor for TiVo.

    Post NewsCorp, D*'s relationship with NDS is the same as it was with TiVo.

    (FYI - D* has changed compression before, when they went from MPEG-1 to MPEG-2 a LONG time ago)
  4. Feb 16, 2007 #24 of 625

    rminsk TiVoted TiVo User

    Jun 4, 2002
    Marina del...
    Liberty has not taken over DirecTV yet...
    But back then when they went from what they were calling mpeg-1.5 to mpeg-2 that current boxes supported mpeg-2. None of the boxes had to be upgraded.
  5. Feb 16, 2007 #25 of 625

    rminsk TiVoted TiVo User

    Jun 4, 2002
    Marina del...


    Besides 6.3a which was fixed fairly quickly with 6.3b and DirecTV changing the guide data my DirecTiVo has meet my minimum standard. Mine does not reboot, have season pass problems, black screens, or audio problems.
  6. Feb 16, 2007 #26 of 625

    samo New Member

    Oct 7, 1999
    You do know that TiVo officially does not support FIOS on S3? It does work for most users, but should you have any problems you will not have any support from TiVO.
  7. Feb 16, 2007 #27 of 625

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

    Jan 2, 2001
    Renton, WA
    Some parts of your minimum standards may be exclusive to TiVo based on their patents. The WishList area seems to be one that other DVR developers have stayed away from, either because of its complexity or some possible patent issues. Either way, no one else comes even close.

    BTW, I totally agree with you on the minimum requirements. The bar has been set. To get my business, someone will have to meet or exceed ...
  8. Feb 16, 2007 #28 of 625

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    "sunk costs" are never a good business reason to do anything (well probably not personally either- I had a friend once who didn't really seem to enjoy his Fiance. I asked him why the hell he was getting married and he told me "Becasue I've invested so much time in the relationship already"- I tried to talk him out of it to no avail. When she moved out 3 months after the marriage and cleaned out their house I did loan him an old Tivo- LOL....)

    That said- I think probably the proper "business" decision was to kill off the relationship with tivo. Even as a buck each it was 3or 4 million a month 30 million or more a year. I can see why they bailed. They can get a DVR that is "good enough" withoug having to pay tivo.
  9. Feb 16, 2007 #29 of 625

    rminsk TiVoted TiVo User

    Jun 4, 2002
    Marina del...
    Wishlists are I guess a little to specific. I guess something like autorecord on the HR20.
  10. Feb 16, 2007 #30 of 625

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Remember that the HR20 is *not* based on NDS or done by them. It's in house to DirecTV.

    The R15 was NDS and I think we all agree it's a pile. I'd bet you'll see an "R20" at some point, a standard def DVR based off the HR20 code with a dumping of the R15 to the scrap heap.
  11. Feb 16, 2007 #31 of 625

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

    Sep 6, 2004
    Because the vast majority of Tivos do not experience any of this to the level of it being an issue. That's why.

    All computers need a reboot once in a while, even UNIX and the mighty Mac OS. Tivo typicaly reboots on its own or needs a reboot about once for every dozen times every other PVR (of 10) that I have ever owned needed it. I see a spontaneous reboot or find a need to reboot Tivo little more than about once a year.

    The audio dropouts are confined to 6.3B (and specifically to DD broadcasts), which only the tiniest fraction of Tivos have resident, and all of which will go away within the week if you allow 6.3c, making that complaint completely moot.

    Most SP problems were due to corrupted data in the EPG, and were a single incident a month ago, and something only seen once in every other blue moon. Any Tivo owner who understands general preventative maintenance removes old SPs when a season ends and renews them at the start of new seasons, which eliminates all other SP problems.

    Even Tivo is not perfect, so let's not pretend anyone is assuming that. Since there is no perfect PVR, what we are left with for dicussion is COMPARITIVE standing. From that point of view, anyone touting anything out there or on the horizon as any kind of Tivo-killer, or who thinks any competitor even weakly measures up to the gold standard set by Tivo, is dangerously deluded.

    If you want to compare laundry lists of DVR issues, you had better buckle up because it's going to be a bumpy ride, and possibly the longest post you have ever seen. But since I have a life I will spare you that. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
  12. Feb 16, 2007 #32 of 625

    bidger Active Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Elmira, NY
    Oh, I've seen the term "flawless" used by TFBs when describing TiVo. Glad you're more level-headed than that.
  13. Feb 16, 2007 #33 of 625

    jimbra New Member

    May 2, 2002
    And never bring a wife to bed when her favorite show she is watching re-boots when she's PMS'ing, trust me it happened. She complained till the sun rose the next morning.

    "Run for it, she's PMS'ing"

  14. Feb 17, 2007 #34 of 625
    Mark Lopez

    Mark Lopez Just click ignore

    Jan 1, 2000
    Hondo TX
    lol. It's been over 7 years since Tivos have been out and they still have bugs. The HR20 is a heck of a lot farther along than Tivo was at 6 month.
  15. Feb 17, 2007 #35 of 625

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

    Jul 10, 2003
    But did he see Ferris passed out at 31 flavors last night?
  16. Feb 17, 2007 #36 of 625

    sjberra New Member

    May 16, 2005
    hmm.. TIVO software, TIVO programmers......
  17. Feb 17, 2007 #37 of 625

    gquiring New Member

    Dec 13, 2002
    Matawan, NJ
    Really? My Solaris 9 server uptime is 2 years, 3 months... My Red Hat server 1 year 8 months, my other RH server 3+ years..., my Tivo at best 2 weeks since 6.x update.

    That is not the case. Read the threads more closely, 6.x HAS audio dropouts. Including mine.

    Single incident yes, excusable no. It shows that Tivo has a piss poor Q&A team. And it was no once in a blue moon and removing season passed did not fix all of the issues. " Preventative maintenance on your SP's"? - that's a good one :rolleyes:

    What about the busted HDMI card in the early HR10's? I would assume you have an excuse for that problem also.

    The Tivo is ok stuff but I just don't agree with all these it it's not a Tivo I won't use it. Give me more HD and I will drop my Tivo in a heart beat as long as the new DVR has dual tuners. I am tired of constant audio drop outs and those half baked black/green screens on ABC-NY HD.
  18. Feb 17, 2007 #38 of 625

    herdfan New Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Hurricane, WV
    Keep in mind there are now two different "Theys". There was the Newscorp group led my Rupert Murdoch who masterminded this whole idea of a one STB world where the STB was going to be the hub of everything from TV to dating. RM was a media guy.

    The new "they" is John Malone. Although he has owned cable companies and current owns channels such as Starz, he is not a media guy. He is a money guy. Unless he sees value in the one STB connected world, he will do what makes more sense financially. So if it cheaper or more efficient to pay TiVo a $ a month and let them spend their R&D vs. doing it in house, then there is a chance it could happen.

    RM saw the value he could create with the one STB world, because he owned or controlled or would develop other content. And he wanted to throw business to his NDS subsidiary. Malone doesn't have those constraints, so he can do what he thinks will put the most money in his pocket.

    With that said, I think the HR20, at least mine, is stable enough. Its not granite rock solid, but is somewhere in the vicinity of shale and getting better.
  19. Feb 17, 2007 #39 of 625

    FourFourSeven New Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    Well, if DTV DOES keep Tivo (obviously a huge if), they'll keep me. Otherwise, aAs soon as Comcast offers their DVR with Tivo software, I'm switching. It's not because I'm a Tivo Fanboy - it's because I (and my family) have tried out all three HD DVRs (HR 10-250, DTV's in-house solution, and Comcast's box with the current software), and the only one the kids can easily use and the wife doesn't reject is the Tivo interface.
  20. Feb 17, 2007 #40 of 625

    Citivas Old Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Yeah, but those are hypothetical "if's" since the HR20 is NOT stable and does NOT do what it is supposed to, at least as of yet. As of now, it still fails to successfully record 40% of my series links, which makes it 0% reliable as a DRV, its primary purpose. DirecTV tells me this is still a known software issue and that all I can do is wait -- as we have been for months on end.

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