Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

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Most of them have not even used an HR20? And "most of the ones who do complain about the HR20 do it 5 minutes after taking it out of the box?" Where did you pull these statistics outta (a rhetorical question ...I think I know)?

Do you just make up things that help to support your argument? Cuz that's truly a bunch of baloney....

 

I've used an HR20 for a few months now. I love when I'm in the bedroom and get to use a DirecTiVo. Everything is easier and takes so many less steps to accomplish.

The HR20 is not a terrible box, but I love the simplicity of TiVo. I miss it. If it comes back someday, I'd be ecstatic.

 

for how long?

That's the magic question.

With the majority of the population already having MPEG4 HD locals available and all the new channels available any hour now plus the normal box churn (I remember being astounded with how fast they got the new interactive boxes into service)- I'd suspect that the % of HD subs that are only MPEG2 is dropping steadily.

At what point does directv just say- "OK legacy people we've supported you long enough, the installers will be coming around to upgrade you folks"

There's an awful lot of bandwidth "wasted" at 101 and even 110 and 119 for HD when it can all be moved to Ka (in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they dont simulcast all the old stuff soon in a higher quality in MPEG4 Ka like they do now with the NY/LA locals.). Room for lots of new shopping and ppv channels. The space on 110 and 119 could be used to get the sd locals of the leased space at 72.5 that had a time limit...

Not saying that January 1 MPEG2 gets killed off but it's got to be starting at some point...

 

Cudahy,

What is your source for this?

I can't find a statement like this anywhere. The only statement I can find says that the old channels will still be broadcast through this season.

- Craig

 

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LordVader... the problem with your argument here is your comparing OLD Tivo tech to new DirecTV tech. If I lineup my Tivo HD with the HR20... it's no contest. Forget UI.. i'm just talking features and reliability. Tivo2Go, MRV, stability, downloadable content, etc.

So... of course the tech is better when comparing HR20 to HR10... but compare the HR20 to comparable hardware... not a handicapped box that is cut of at the knees because of a technology migration and heavyhanded software control policies at Dtv

In short... a lot of people will not care about Tivo vs DVR... they just want a DVR... but the majority of people that have TIVO want TIVO and the Tivo HD is the best HD DVR option out there IMHO.

D* has known this, and has known about it's own weaknesses and occasional failures , of its own hardware for quite sometime. That is one of the reasons for the 2 year commitments.

I bet a lot of those people with HR20's and SUnday ticket are wishing they weren't locked into a contract now.

 

I'm the one who said that. And I didn't say I hated the HR20 as soon as I saw it's candybar remote. (It was immediately misunderstood.) Simply put, that's as far into the box as one need go to understand the mindset of the people who designed the HR20. It instantly shows how little they understand what DVR users want, how they actually use the thing... how they have been using the Tivo Powered(tm) DVR. Saying no one uses the provided remote is a laughably stupid remark. The truth is most people use the remote provided with whatever they've bought -- TV, DVD, etc.

I've used HR20's. I don't like them. Today, they are far more stable than when they first came out. However, they're still just as primitive. (Where's the dual live buffers? Being able to record two things at once is not a dual live buffer.) Using one gives me the impression it was programmed by people who have never even seen a tv (much less the DVRs they're supposed to replace.) Functional? Sure. But so are VCR's. Intuative? Simply, No. If I sat an HR20 infront of my parents, I'd never heard the end of it; they'd never figure the thing out -- even with the manual. I put a HDVR2 infront of them several years ago, handed them the remote and walked away. They never had any trouble figuring it out -- without ever reading the manual. "User friendly"? I wouldn't go that far, but I'll conceed a "maybe" if you've never used anything else. Would you "get used to it"? Concidering it generally comes with a 2 year shackle (and some outlay of cash), you'd better hope so. I'm sure the numbers will show people have gotten used to the non-Tivo R15 and HR20 once the commitments are up.

Tivo is the reason I'm a DTV customer -- pretty much from the day dtivo's were available. Take away tivo and you've taken away my reason for being a customer. If I have to give up the Tivo Experience, it's sure as h*** not going to be for an HR20. (not today's HR20.)

BTW, a lot of the issues people have(had) been reporting w.r.t. lockups and reboots can be directly attributed to changes DTV made (rolled back, and likely reintroduced) to the data stream for the HR20. Some might say they did it on purpose to make the tivos look highly unstable, but I think it was just an oversight.

 

Your parents must not be as smart as my 4 year old then cramer. He picked up the HR20 right away and get this, he can actually run it with either the stock remote or the universal.

You came for TiVo, fair enough. I came for programming and my DVR needs to fit my programming, not the other way around. I'd like DLB, I certainly would, but we've had the choice of using TiVo in our home or an HR20 for the last year and every person has chosen the HR20 and the TiVo just sits there for conflicts. Now with an enormous disparity in available programming, that gap will likely widen.

 

Then you and your 4 year-old definitely belong over at dbstalk.com because I cannot imagine any value you could offer a TiVo user community.

 

Well said

 

We are in the same boat. The things you mention, plus dual buffers, are the reasons I will be sticking with the HR10's for the time being. I really hope that DTV and TiVo work something out on a new product, but until they shut down my current boxes or offer something with the features that are important to me, I'm sticking with what I have right now.

 

Plenty man. I've used most versions of TiVo since software version 1.2.1. I doubt you were around for that. I had the DSR6000 the day it was released and helped TiVo and Directv improve that product. I'm using an Hr20 now and my feelings are positive but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't try something else if it were available. I've tried them all.

I'm sure that I know more about your TiVo's than you do. I don't need brand allegiance to hold value here.

Many TiVo users are making hard decisions now and they are asking for guidance. I understand and respect that you've already made your decision. Why not let the others go through that process for themselves?

Sorry to crap in your sandbox, but afterall it was mine first.

 

I have Sunday Ticket and a HR10. Hopefully I'm not force to a HR20 next year to receive the games in HD.

 

94 - sorry - the HD games will all be MPEG-4 next year.

 

MPEG-4 people read up on it

 

My first TiVo was a Sony SAT-T60, before they turned on the second tuner. Did the whole Linux boot disk, BlessTivo to add another drive, etc. I'm not exactly a newbie. I was even a part of this community back then (I guess around 2000-2001), but I could not remember my account info and just created a new one instead. But who the heck cares about that?

I'm just saying that the toys you now desire are in a different sandbox. In fact, there's a number of you that like your new toys, yet somehow you keep showing up over here and blathering on and on about a product that DOES have its own community over at dbstalk. For the most part, when a newbie posts here about the HR15 or HR20, they are quickly pointed to dbstalk. And that's that.

But geez, some of you have some real separation anxiety going on, or maybe (you mentioned users asking for guidance) you realize that TiVo users come here first, and you, and perhaps DTV want to make sure you have representation stationed here at all times. I can't believe that the group of you are just plainly argumentative without any other motivation. But maybe you are just argumentative.

Anyway, it's a public sandbox here, as is dbstalk. You can call me a TiVo zealot, a fanboy, a guy who drank the Kool-aid, someone with considerable brand allegiance.... A TiVo Lemming. Whatever, a lot of that is true. But you can't call me a troll. I would have no value posting on dbstalk, so I don't.

 

This is exactly my case! I must have used a hotmail account I don't have any more and I can't remember it. It was exactly the same time frame. I regestered just after getting it in the spring of 2001. This was the only source I could find to help me...

The SAT-T60 keeps on chugging!

- Craig

 

Lemming... you forgot the ever popular "TiVo Lemming."

 

Don't lump me into a group. I haven't done that to you.

The HR20 is relevant to a TiVo user and TiVo is still relevant to me. You don't really think that there's no overlap do you?

If you feel you have no value on dbstalk then you are doing the right thing. If you think *I* have no value here, too bad, you're wrong.

The discussions are happening here, you can take them or leave them but attacking me for speaking in a public, moderated forum surely isn't your place.

There's enough room for everyone.

 

Amazing little box it is. Right after I got my S3's, but before I cancelled service with DTV, I cleared my SAT-T60 out. Then I setup season passes for all the shows on Nick, Nick Toons, Disney, etc. I let that run for a couple of weeks straight. Until it was just loaded with that stuff. Then I cancelled DTV service.

Now I have it hooked up to a little TV over at my Mom's, so when my son visits his Grandmom he's got a huge library of that stuff on demand.

That T60 will not die.

 

Your insinuations about your daughter were not called for. I've got no problems with you guys discussing the HR20, but I don't like the half-truths that goes on here with your groups' preaching about the HR20. Look at milo for instance. You'd swear the guy must be getting some kind of commission for each HR20.

Most of you guys fail to point out that the user interface is entirely different and that large numbers of Tivo users don't like it. The other thing most of you fail to mention is that the user is signing up for another 2-year hitch with DirecTV. h yeah, the other big thing when talking about locals I never see is that DirecTV does not show all locals on the satellite in mpeg4. It's very mis-leading and that upsets me.