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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.
You picked the least funny date out there good sir!
Ah ...whoops, I forgot nobody likes tax time.
I hope you have your quarterly ready!
Who says it would be hardware? Is the ComcasTiVo on new hardware?
If there is any move to a new TiVo Experience on DirecTV my guess is it would be similar to the Comcast model. i.e. You can get the HR-20 w/ the "basic" system for X/mo, or "upgrade" your HR-20 to TiVo for Y/mo.
I'd gladly pay double my DVR fee for TiVo. As it stands, I'm leaving DirecTV when my commitment is up if there is not a TiVo option.
OK Sully, ETA on software only solution then. The Comcast solution you mention hasn't really been streaking to the marketplace.
Ok, but the Comcast TiVo was supposed to be available last year.
Why in the world would DirecTV allow TiVo to upgrade their software on boxes they no longer sell? Doesn't DirecTV want these users to drop TiVo and get with the NDS generic DVR?
I see this as a very positive sign that TiVo and DirecTV might be lifting up the bed sheets and ready to climb back in. This time around, I don't see DirecTV kicking TiVo out of bed for eating crackers. Due to the whole E* thing.
I think that this debate will become moot tomorrow morning at 6:00 AM EDT.
why will the debate be moot?
and what is happening tomorrow at 6:00 AM EDT?
Who's to say that much of the heavy lifting of a DirecTiVo on HR-20 hasn't already been done by TiVo for the Comcast deal (They're now going to be porting it to more platforms than just the Moto's)
New HD channels!
One possibility - DirecTV is concerned about the very high churn among Tivo subscribers, and they see this as a way to reduce churn.
All cable companies are mostly about churn (except new ones like FIOS, which are currently mostly about new subscribers).
For DirecTV, back when Tivo was a real partner, the Tivo subscribers represented their lowest churn customers *by far*. This is documented in a number of quarterly calls during that time.
Now, DirecTV-Tivo subs are leaving at an alarming ~120-150K per quarter. The plan of "just get an R15/HR20" failed, for Tivo subs at least. DirecTV has realized that one option is to throw them a bone by giving them a few new features on their obsoleted Tivo's. You'd think most people would see through this, but it will likely reduce the churn a little.
In any case, it's a pretty good reason for DirecTV to try.
Another possibility... is that DirecTV needed an upgrade for something else, that the current versions are not compatible with.
TiVo said... sure, but these x,y,z features could/need to be part of that because of the core software version that it would be based off....
Or... TiVo asked to do the update, to help entice people to keep their SD TiVo still active...
There are many possibilities on "why"... and no one knows other then those at DirecTV and TiVo, inc.... everything else is just conjecture...
As for the R15/HR20 "failed".... for TiVo subs at least... you have some numbers to definitively prove that? I know I haven't seen any studies or accurate analysis that can say either way.
But DirecTV has no reason to allow any of that, unless they are worried about losing Tivo subs. So thanks for supporting my point.
If DirecTV wasn't worried about losing Tivo subs, they would *love* a new feature that wasn't available on Tivo - another reason to force them to the new, oh so wonderful platforms. And they certainly wouldn't want Tivo adding new features that would slow the movement to the new, oh so successful R15/HR20 platform.
All I have are numbers from the quarterly calls. Tivo DirecTV Tivo subs loss every quarter is public. DirecTV's churn is public. The math is pretty easy to do.
Please point out one thing that Primtime said that was a half truth.
This may be a Tivo forum but this section will probably be gone in a few years at most, so what's the problem with discussing the fact that the HR10 is dead?
And the problem with the Tivo lovers (zealots) is that it is fine if they prefer the HR10, but most of them (including you) have not even used a HR20, so how can you prefer something when you have not actually compared it to anything? And most of the ones who do complain about the HR20 do it 5 minutes after taking it out of the box because they already have their mind made up that they will hate it no matter what. Heck, one guy posted that he hated it as soon as he saw the remote. As if anyone actually still uses OEM remotes (besides the Tivo zealots). <sigh>
Many of us have a HR20 (4 in my case) and still prefer the TiVo because of it's stability and reliability. The HR20 still has not passed my test of recording everything I want for 1 month without any intervention on my part. The HR10-250 will be my primary receiver until the HR20 passes this test.
There you go again - you just can't stop yourself from calling us names and making insinuations that just because we haven't physically touched the HR20, we can't make an intelligent decision
Did you see the entry about the guy who had his for 30 days and then gave up? How about the six month? Forget it, you just can't admit that there are a slew of people out there that don't like it, let alone thinking it is better then the Tivo.