Directv Possibly going back to Tivo HD DVR

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by raven540, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. gdomeier

    gdomeier New Member

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    You could be right. I have no prefernce on what dtv chooses to do or not do RE tivo. I am ok with my switch. Who knows, hd may end up with a killer dvr in the future. I would switch back to them :)
     
  2. 20TIL6

    20TIL6 BaDoop BaDoop BaDoop

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    Why is DTV adding features to the DTV/TiVo S2 units? Those units have been stale for quite some time. I find the timing of it all just a bit interesting. What with the TiVo HD becoming available, and the Comcast/TiVo rollout around the corner.

    Extending the life of devices that DTV would rather see completely orphaned sounds possibly like a defensive, retention strategy.

    I think DTV is more than a little concerned about the loyalty of their DTV/TiVo user base. Still around 2.7 million I think.

    And speaking of commodities, what has the better chance of becoming a commodity? A device that manages digital content, or the pipe that brings you the digital content? The faucet in my bathroom, or the plumbing that feeds water to my home?
     
  3. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    According to the quarterly Tivo report, DirecTV/Tivo subscribers are declining at a rate of about 100-150K per quarter. The question is - are most of those people who switch to DirecTV DVR's, or are they people leaving DirecTV completely?

    Since you'd have to give up all your DirecTivo's to be recorded as a Tivo subscriber loss, I'm guessing these are mostly people leaving DirecTV completely. I'd wager it's about 65% people leaving, 35% people switching.

    Once people get Tivo, most of them want to keep it. If they're going to be forced to switch the hardware, then your force them to look at all their options again for getting service. Once they do that, DirecTV looks pretty bad when compared to most major-market competitors (in terms of real offerings today, not future hype).

    So DirecTV could indeed be concerned about their increased churn among Tivo subscribers.

    If someone has breakdown data on the DirecTivo churn at DirecTV, please post it.
     
  4. Cudahy

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    It's obviously in Directv's interest to offer the 2.5 million TivoSD subscribers an option (not to mention those with the HD10-250).
    We're still waiting for an official announcement about Malone talking over Directv.
    Malone is reportedly a Tivo fan.
    I find it strange that so many posters are still saying there is near zero chance for anything to come out of this.
     
  5. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1038845&highlight=

    Q2-2007:
    900,000 Gross Subscriber Additions
    Average Monthly Churn Rate: 1.58% (which is a small decrease from last year)
    128,000 Net Subscriber Additions

    Their Qtr numbers do not describe what segment the customer churn comes from, so their is no data to support the movement due to the DVR technology.

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    IMHO: I think it is TiVo that is wanting the software update, and to keep the 2.5ish SD-DVR to stay out there and active, as there is little they can do to keep the bulk of the HR10-250's active.

    As once the last TiVo leaves a DirecTV subscribers account, DirecTV no longer has to pay the "cut" of the service fee... and TiVo can no longer count that person as a TiVo subscriber.
     
  6. dthreet

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    Ya I hope this happens. However tivo is going to have to something to keep there head above water. Since everyone is doing there own thing now and alot cheaper.
     
  7. RS4

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    I read in the press where DirecTV did not gain as many subscribers as the market had anticipated. I think DirecTV even admitted that during the quarterly call. E* had 45000 more net subscribers than DirecTV did. Does that sound right when DirecTV is doing all this advertising about the upcoming channels? So while DirecTV is not losing, they also are not gaining what the investors market thought they should.

    I'm glad the numbers aren't so good because it might apply more pressure to reconsider follow-on business with Tivo.
     
  8. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Dark Lord ofthe Sith

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    They're not losing TIVO customers to Echostar, so where do you think those folks are going? DISH doesn't have a TIVO DVR, so it's not like DTIVO people are going to DISH en masse. They're either going to cable/FIOS or to DirecTV's own HD DVR, the HR20 series.
     
  9. fasTLane

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    What this country needs, besides a seven cent nickel, is a Dishnetwork/Tivo box. That would get the ball rolling for ever'body.
     
  10. RS4

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    I didn't say they were losing customers. I said they weren't growing as fast as the investment market and other watchers had expected. ;) In fact, one article I read said that FIOS is gaining a lot of its customers from DirecTV and EchoStar compared to cable, so I'm assuming that a lot of the folks who do leave are going there.

    I think a huge number of folks are in a wait and see attitude. They want to see what is going to happen and will wait a while. There is a lot going on with FIOS, SVD, DirecTV with the new channels, etc. So the next couple of years will offer a lot more HD. I believe a lot of Tivo users want a Tivo HD solution because everything they've read about to date has said that there is no superior Tivo replacement.
     
  11. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Dark Lord ofthe Sith

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    That depends on how one defines the term "superior."

    I've got two HR10-250s and several HDVR2s on my account. I also have two HR20-700s and one HR20-100 DirecTV HD DVRs. Is the HR10-250 HD TIVO "superior" to the DTV HD DVR? No. Is it better? In some respects, yes; in others, no.

    I have been and always will be a big fan of TIVO, but the new HD DVRs offer many additional features--VOD, interactive capabilities, gaming, etc.--that DirecTiVO does not. The main feature the HD DVRs lack is dual live buffer, which just happens to be a major feature/issue.

    If DirecTV came out with an HD DVR based on and utilizing the TIVO platform, I'd go with that in a heartbeat. Until then, TIVO is becoming more and more a thing of the past with DirecTV. :(
     
  12. MichaelK

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    that's an interesting take on getting kicked to the curb...

    :D
     
  13. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Dark Lord ofthe Sith

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    They haven't left DirecTV and its customers. Quite the contrary; they renewed their existing support relationship, and in early 2008, DirecTV will (finally!) be sending some extensive software and feature updates to the Series 2 DirecTiVO units.
     
  14. milominderbinder

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    RS4, that is a good question.

    DISH had 30-40 HD channels in Q2. DIRECTV had 9 HD channels.

    Consumers don't care what you promise for futures. Instant gratification is everything.

    So the interesting part was the DIRECTV was able to show any gain at all in that situation.

    I think that the activity we have seen on this site is a good indicator that a big change is underway. I have called DISH several time in the past few weeks as I researched things. I could always get through instantly.

    Last spring I could get straight through to DIRECTV as well. In my calls to DIRECTV over the past couple of weeks there was a dramatic change. As of last week I was on hold an average of 45 minutes. (Working out a new deal on a second HR20.)

    I asked the DISH and DIRECTV CSR's how they were and how busy they were. DISH CSR's all said that they are having no hold times. The DIRECTV CSR's all said they were getting slammed with orders.

    But that is all subjective. We will know the facts in October when the 10-Q's come out.

    - Craig
     
  15. ebonovic

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    DishNetwork is also partnered with AT&T and some of the other Tel-Co's, and is the TV Provider for a lot of the "tripple-play" offerrings.
     
  16. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    It's only my opinion, but to me the only core features are user-friendliness, reliability, expandability, low cost for hardware and DVR service, and integrated DVB and OTA. Everything else is superfluous. I don't need games or networkability or remote internet programming or anything as boring as interactive provides, that's for sure. Maybe those are selling points to some niche subs out there, or maybe I'm the niche sub. But I just want a box that works, that records HD. Other than the MPEG-4 channels, which so far are not tempting at all to me, the HR10 seems to be about the only thing that has all of those core features. Unfortunately, there's no heir apparent.
     
  17. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    You're right Tyrone, you are the niche.
     
  18. sjberra

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    And the Tel-Co's are going away from offering new subscriptions, AT&T with UVerse and Verizon with FIOS, so there is a loss for them
     
  19. sjberra

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    And my needs are 100 percent different, I do care about networking for Video on Demand, remote internet programming because I travel extensively and at a minutes notice. But I do not care what the GUI is, can adapt to any GUI with a learnng cure, features, programming etc are primary, looking forward to the new HD channels in MPEG4. IMHO the heir apparent is in the house.
     
  20. bigpuma

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    I agree, my HR20 is user friendly, has been completely stable since March (it was not so stable before then), is easily expanded via eSata HDD, and was free for me. :) The only thing I miss about my HR10 is DLBs but I have adjusted, although now with Football season I am missing it again. :(
     

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