DirecTV+HD+TiVo Is there any hope at all????

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by michman, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. spyhunter

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    What is the problem of creating an HDMI input TiVo, the signal would be digital and therefore be recorded digitally just like a cable card right? What would the copyright problems be? TiVo deals with all sorts of copyright problems, so why don't they just make this box? Maybe they are working on it?

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  2. CrashHD

    CrashHD I am the me.

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    A solution so elegantly simple, and effective as that could only have been stopped by the work of a lawyer...just guessing here.
     
  3. shibby191

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    Because Hollywood doesn't allow it. DRM and all. It's not that it's technical impossible (although expensive) it's just against the DRM. I think we all hate DRM including me, but it is what it is.
     
  4. avNeophyte

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    I suspect bandwidth would be an issue. I don't believe the data on the HDMI interface is compressed. The disk storage requirements would be enormous unless the HDMI TiVo recorder had extra HW ($$$) to do video compression.
     
  5. shibby191

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    The only reason HDMI exists is for copy protection. It's really that simple. ;)
     
  6. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Bingo.

    HDMI is 1.5 GB per second, and happens after decoding and before d/a conversion (PVRs read/write to the HDD while the signal is still compressed). A 1TB drive would give you about 11 minutes of HD storage in such a system, which gives us an idea how heavy the compression is.
     
  7. 1Dave1

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    per a unnamed DirecTV high UP employee:
    Negotiations between DirecTV and TiVo ABRUPTLY ENDED in a walkout aproxamatly 6 weeks ago and there is NO need for further negotiations with TiVo since the DirecTV Plus DVR has exceeded there expectations.

    It was made clear that ALL currently subscribed DVRs with TiVo will CONTINUE to be supported (authorized) UNTIL that TiVo DVR ceases functioning with NO end date given. Also there will NOT be any further or future software updates or upgrades created for the TiVo dvrs since all focus is now on the new plus dvr.

    When the TiVo dvr ceases functioning or issues arise the customer will have no option other than to replace it with there current dvr.

    Also noting that most customers really like the new DirecTV Plus DVR and mostly the only complaints come from customers whom previously used the DirecTV DVR with TiVo. The result is that future negotiations are just not needed as the new Plus DVR is getting better every day.

    When the dtv rep was asked:
    Why a customer is forced to delete a series link in order to add a new one when the limit of 50 is reached?

    the dtv responce was:
    The customers that make this complaint previously had a DirecTV with TiVo DVR which does NOT limit the number of season passes you can have. Adding that most customers whom never had the DVR's with TiVo doesn't know that more than 50 are even possable so there are few customer complaints about this issue.


    Since the hard drive will most likely be the first to fail in the TiVo, I suspect dtv feels that most TiVo dvrs will be out of the system within the next few years, so they will just "wait it out" and leave the customer with no choice when the time comes. (unless the customer even know they can easily fix there TiVo (self or ship it off to a web site like weeknees) and still keep using it!)

    I was also told that there is a forum ON the dtv web site which is reviewed often by dtv and will get must faster results than sending e-mails or even the ce software forum for dtv reciever firmware updates.
     
  8. 1Dave1

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    For those whom do not know

    The new dtv plus dvr LIMITS "season passes/series links" to 50 !, if you want to add one more it tells you that you MUST delete one first! (my TiVo currently has 104 on it!) Heck, the various Nascar programs uses up about 11 of the Series Links and thats not adding in the different networks that will carry races through out the year (espn,abc,tnt,fx,fox,speed) theres 6 more! And as of now I have to keep track week to week of whom is telecasting the race and plan to delete the series link as to add the new channel so I dont miss recording the program!

    The Search function is crap compared to TiVo's!
    I was also informed in my conversation with the dtv rep that the engineers are limited in what can be done with the search function due to TiVo. Nothing further was said about it.

    I feel that since TiVo has won there court case I see software licencing in the near future for all dvr makers whom will have to end up paying/making deals with TiVo!
    DtV should have went that route and they would have a MUCH better dvr right now instead of the "fix and patch weekly" like they do now!
     
  9. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Your first part:

    Limit to 50... yes that is true

    Search Function is "crap"..
    As for the DTV rep... they have zero clue on what the capabilities are on the system, as to what the developers are "limited" to.

    In fact, if you follow what they are doing with the search... they are in the processes of adding multiple advanced search options, that not even TiVo has.

    In your opinion, what is specifically is "crap" about the DVR+ search, as compared to TiVo's.

    Umm...where are they "fix/patch" weekly.
    The last national update was 2/12 (which was 2 weeks ago). (and that was because they needed to get the updated audio features for NASCAR HOTPASS in before the start of the season)
    The one before that: 1/16 (a month)
    The one before that: 11/07 (2+ months)
     
  10. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Tinley...
    My response to that...

    Provide the name of the person you spoke with...
    As most of what you have posted here, is nonsense fud.

    The forums you are referring to:

    http://forums.directv.com
    http://www.dbstalk.com
     
  11. rickmeoff

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    i believe he spoke with 'larry' over at dtv.
     
  12. shibby191

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    With the new search features (that include the ability to record on just certain channels) that are in current CE testing you should be able to convert those 17 series links down to 1, maybe 2 autorecord searchs (i.e. Wishlist).
     
  13. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Tinley...
    Get-R-Done
     
  14. newsposter

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    http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-05/status-quo-for-directv-tivo/

    I think we continue to see a few things — I think we have a constructive relationship. We are not doing a lot in all honesty but I think we have an honest dialog that I think is sincere about seeing if there are things that make sense for us. I mean, at our core, the heart of our business is going to continue to get driven by set-top box technologies we’ve developed that are at the core of the — as we launch VOD and whole home solutions and broadband connectivity and all these things, they are all tied into set-top box software that is deployed and operated by us. That doesn’t mean there aren’t things we can do with TiVo and if we can find a way to crack it, I think we’ve always been open to an intelligent relationship if there was one.
     
  15. newsposter

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    you can wait for late 2009 and get one :)
     

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