Directv Going To Lease Only On 3/1/06

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by lee espinoza, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. publicpersona

    publicpersona New Member

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    I've been with DirecTV since the very beginning, and a multiple TiVo owner as well. Gradually, all of the reasons that I switched from cable have disappeared - content, customer service, ability to upgrade my equipment to suit my needs, etc.

    I've got an appointment tomorrow morning to go back to cable. Sigh.
     
  2. Bill Broderick

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    From the executive summary:

    any DIRECTV hardware sold by you will not be commissionable or subsidized in any manner or for any amounts whatsoever.
     
  3. beanpoppa

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    Note sure what this part means, too:

    4. Q: Under the current model, I can currently charge whatever I want for the hardware as long as I absorb the cost if I offer it at lower than what is subsidized by DIRECTV; will this continue?

    A: No. DIRECTV will be the party who will lease the equipment to the customers under the lease program. Accordingly, DIRECTV controls, sets and establishes the terms of the new lease program, including the lease fees charged for equipment. If you deviate in any way from the lease program as established by DIRECTV, including the standardized lease fees, you will be subject to immediate termination, without an opportunity to cure.
     
  4. dswallow

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    This was aimed at dealers; you'll probably find DirecTV uses that language (subsidies and commissions) in their dealer-speak, and that is quite different from the concept of subsidizing the manufacture like we've been referring to with regard to why the cancellation penalty exists when new receivers are activated.
     
  5. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I would like to hear what Robert from VE has to say on this. He has been pretty quiet.
     
  6. SpacemanSpiff

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    He's probably still digging out from under the CES backlog. On the other hand it could be something that he's looking into with his lawyer so see exactly what boils down where.
     
  7. MichaelK

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    I'm just assuming that's their "retail" pricing. Value electronics and Solid Signal never sell at retail. No one even pays "retail" at CC or BB- it's all specials, sales, or rebates.

    So I assume just like it is today (with the exception of HD DVR's) you can get pretty much everythign for free. But the difference will be since they paid for it all they actually get wise and ask for it back.

    For me all that really matters is the HD DVR so I need to see how that plays out before i pass judgement.
     
  8. MichaelK

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    very good point- its rental.
     
  9. hoopsbwc34

    hoopsbwc34 Unpaid Tivo Salesman

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    I'm curious to see what happens when someone tries to activate a device they OWN after 3/1/06.... will they still charge a $5/month mirror fee for these people? If they don't, I'll be deactivating on 2/28 and reactivating on 3/1 :) There's no discussion in the press release on what happens when people do own their own equipment....
     
  10. tbeckner

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    For me, what made DirecTV such a good provider is that I could choose the equipment I wanted to use. And I could purchase it and not have to look forward to the monthly fees. This is still something that has bothered me with cable and using their DVRs. I hated the concept of leasing a box. But in a fast changing market, it is likely a push, but if I was buying into SD today (not HD), I would really hate this and I believe it would make the decision to go to cable even easier, but then again this is just the way I look at it.

    I guess we all will need to see what difference this change will make to each of us financially. Three years ago I bought three HDVR2s for $99 each and if DirecTV had leased those HDVR2s to me for $10 per month in addition to the device/mirroring fees, I would not have done it. Because even with taking into account the future value of money (purchase vs lease), I would have paid three times as much over those three years for the same capability, and at this point I am looking forward to using those same HDVR2s for at least another three years, depending upon the situation, before I go HD.
     
  11. Kanyon71

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    You have some proof of that statement? Or isit just a general dislike?
     
  12. hoopsbwc34

    hoopsbwc34 Unpaid Tivo Salesman

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    You're paying the same out of pocket and month to month...now your "mirroring fee" is a "lease fee".
     
  13. Lee L

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    Makes no sense to me. As others have said, it is not like they bring a receiver out for free and you pay each month. Unless you get the base receiver (of which I got 2 free when I bought my HR10-250 and SDDVR40 almost 2 years ago.) you are paying money up front still for even one receiver. DirecTv has already said that they are pushing DVRs so unless they change the program, they are shooting themselves in the foot here.
     
  14. SpacemanSpiff

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    The difference being that after the 1 or 2 year committment if you drop D* you can take bought equipment and throw it in the trash, put it in a closet or sell it on EBay. After the 1 or 2 year committment on leased equipment, you're out the same amount of money but when you drop the service you have to send it back.
     
  15. dswallow

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    And that used equipment will get released to others, likely increasing the average age of the equipment in use to receive DirecTV. That might not be a good thing in some senses.
     
  16. Kanyon71

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    Thats really what I want to know also, how is this going to effect the price that I pay if I want to purchase my equipment.
     
  17. tbeckner

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    It likely is because the R15 has some bugs and if a long term TiVo user would make a comparison of the R15 to a Series 2 DirecTiVo they might believe that the R15 is less valuable, depending on what features the TiVo user always uses.

    In my case, I have been using TiVo for almost six years now, and after a review of the feature set in the R15 and the reported bugs on the other forum, I would not buy (even if it was free after rebate or lease a new R15. Now that is my individual choice and it does not mean that someone else might find the R15 of some value.
     
  18. tbeckner

    tbeckner TiVo Fan

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    What if I didn't have any equipment at all? Do we know what they are going to lease the new equipment for?

    If the $4.99 device/mirroring fee would be switched to a equipment leasing fee directly then that would be a different story. Do we know if that is what this means for sure?
     
  19. Kanyon71

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    I actually have both of them and use both of them and like both of them. I will tell you onething the R15 seems to be built a lot better it's much quieter and has some cool features. Outside of some bugs I don't really have anything to complain about with it. As you said to each their own though :)
     
  20. JohnTivo

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    So does this mean there is no more 1 or 2 year commitment required if you lease the equipment?
     

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