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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by lee espinoza, Jan 12, 2006.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Well, itis bad for those of us who purchased expensive equipment as them giving us a "free" receicver sucks if we have to pay each month. For new subs, it probably just puts Satellite on a more or less equal footing with cable.
I figured this would happen soon. One question-How if at all will that affect those that already own or have a committment left yet?
Neither the link nor you explain what that means. Does this mean they will be following the cable model, you will no longer have to purchase the equipment, you will now lease?
Personally, if that's the case, I like it. This way I don't have to keep shelling out $$$ for equimpment that is obsolete in 6 months.
Hmmm... Good for them, bad for us. More revenue, better STB cost control. Seems more like a cable business model every day.
Well, how I look at it is this:
Now that I don't have to "buy" my equipment, when I finally go to HD service, I won't have to shell out hundreds of $$$ in equipment purchase, AND if the equipment improves I can turn in the old stuff for the new stuff.
One thing that has ALWAYS kept me with D* has been I have invested so much money in equipment. If I want to leave, it will be easier to justify since anything new I get will be leased/rented. With cable having better HD offerings and FIOS down the road, D* had better start improving their offerings otherwise people will feel more inclined to leave.
On the other hand, those of us who got free equipment as incentive will probably no longer see deals like that any longer.
But, you won't be able to "upgrade" the equipment.
Also, this scheme will make it more likely that subscribers will change providers more often.
Many of us with a lot of $$$ tied up in equipment tend to stay with DirecTV.
That incentive goes away with a lease.
Exactly. So if it's the cable business model, why am I not going with cable? Bad move IMHO on DirecTV's fault. With this, I may as well go HDTivo than stick with DirecTV.
Good move as an option. Bad move to be the only way. It will make for some interesting discussions how they decide to grandfather things in and/or compensate for recent prior purchases.
I don't see this being too much of an issue any more, seeing as how most of the NDS equipment probably isn't "upgradeable" anyhow.
Extremely interesting move on their part. I guess that answers the question on whether the rebate on the R15 will be extended past the end of February. It certainly throws a monkey wrench into all the people who just plugged out the cash (less rebate) etc for R15's and re-upped for 2 year committments. I have to wonder what that will mean for them.
It also answers the question on whether the R15, HR20-250 and any other of the new boxes will be hackable. If they own the boxes, they can prevent people from hacking them.
I wonder where the PC D* Tuner card fits into the mix?
Granted one of the things cable has been able to throw at them is the contract (which for some reason they kept extending instead of reducing). Now the playing field is level. The question in my mind is did it go up or down?
Maybe that's why the new HR-20 DVR upgrade will be "FREE" for people with HR10-250's - they take our owned equipment and give us a lease box - bastards!
I wonder where the press release about that change was during all the hubbub at CES. Certainly it's not new electronics, cut it certainly affects consumers.
On relfection, I think the main point of this is to increase the paper value of the company; this will probably let DirecTV claim equipment as assets rather than taking charges for subscriber acquisition costs through equipment subsidies.
... or some other similar accounting difference under the new procedures ...
They will almost certainly handle it the same way Dish network did when they went to this model over a year ago.
Anyone that purchased equipment recently will just continue under the same terms they have. No change. You purchased your equipment, so you don't pay a lease fee. You did, however, get an equipment subsidy, so you still have a commitment.
The only advantage D* has now is NFL Sunday Ticket, That Series 3 TiVo looks better all the time.
So you want to pay a 1,000 for a HDDVR?
Just when you think things couldn't get more confusing at DirecTV, this happens. I've been sitting on the fence over buying an additional HR10-250. Well I'm still on the fence but the fence posts just get sharper. Ouch!
Dumb move on D*'s part. It just makes it easier for a person to change providers as they haven't locked themselves in by buying equipment.
Been there, did that. Twice!