DirecTV Death Spiral...???

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by parzec, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

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    It's funny to me how the 3 remaining big telco players all see things so totally different.

    VZ is laying FTTH as fast as they can. ATT people essentially call verizons plan stupid and plan to just do fiber half way there. Sprint thinks there are both idiots and ditched their local wirleines planning instead to go moblie wimax and apparently built the last mile wirelessly.

    VZ is splitting off their phone book division since they want to focus on fiber and cell. ATT talks about how they see their phone books being a big part of their future. Sprint I dont think eer even owned their phoine books- they seemed to contract it to R.H.DOnnelly.

    Pretty amazing that the 3 mega phone compnaies left all see the market so differntly. I guess it just goes to show you that this is a time of much upheavel in the communications business.

    I think cable really has an advantage in technology. THey have triple play now. Many of them have a deal with sprint to give them quadruple play with sprints wireless service. If they could combine to get the geographic advantages like VZ and ATT have then it could get ugly.

    (should qaulify- CURRENT advantage- fios could kick cables current plant and it's likely a matter of time till VZ figers out quadruple play- att can at least match cable with it's fiber to someplace plan. If cable is smart they would make sure to keep ahead and not let everyone else catch up squandering the huge lead they have- like DBS has done....)
     
  2. winpitt

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    You're right. DBS had a tremendous advantage with SD, pricing and frankly for a period of time, non-TiVo DVR. However, they completely squandered that advantage completely.

    Then you had the whole FTTC/FTTD debate.

    Add in the whole Verizon FiOS marketing.

    Then the timing and costs associated with the different strategies.

    Cable certainly has the advantage if you're considering converges services including both IP and video, as they have an established cable plant which was created purely as a result of build-out requirements as estalished by the Telecommunication Act of 1996.

    That same advantage could easily now turn to a risk, however since the cost to upgrade that same infrastructure is very large, and if Verizon is for example no required to commit to the same provisions. In that case Verizon as an example would have a significant advantage over the cable MSOs

    Across the industry, the common thought is that should this happen the MSOs would then (because as a result of those legislative changes they would also fall under) start to concentrate only on those primary areas which Verizon has entered. Further, that they would then (as they would be legally allowed to do) begin to assess additional "maintenance" charges to users in those less lucrative geographic areas. Though it is highly unlikely that they would go to the extreme, such changes allow them to abandon service in such areas.

    So the upheaval will continue, and frankly legislative changes will probably have the greatest impact on the outcome. Because of the geographic vulnerabilities of Sprint's approach, and AT&T's mixed message, I'm guessing that Verizon has the biggest edge going forward IF the legislative changes take place.

    If they do not and build-out requirements remain in place, Verizon will absolutely continue to roll out FiOS. They will still earn profits and gain subs. And there would be more competition long term with less certain outcomes.
     
  3. newsposter

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    but dont they have to get people over the fact that all DT isnt HD ? ;)
     
  4. bwaldron

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    Ain't that the truth!

    I can't count the number of times someone has told me that "everything will be in HD" in 2009. ;)
     
  5. newsposter

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    well if 'everyone' says it, hopefully it's true ;) talk about a fantasy coming true...it's just sad to watch SD ota and see the HD commercials. I think, hey if the darn 30 second commercial can be HD, why not my show!

    I know the put 'HD sponsored by " on some shows, i hope there's more of that in the future. I'd even take an HD bug for the advertiser!
     
  6. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    All my locals have been HD for over 2 years. That's done is pretty much every medium-to-large market. 2009 is when they shut of analog, but they're almost done with HD already.

    That doesn't mean every show will be produced in HD, just broadcast that way. See Survivor.

    HD is great. If you're not impressed, no biggie, but don't complain to those of us that are blissfully happy with it, and willing to pay to get as much of it as possible.
     
  7. bwaldron

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    Actually there are and I expect will continue to be a number of channels that broadcast digitally but not in HD. Network affiliates mainly upconvert all programming to HD resolution, but a lot of smaller independent channels send out 480 digitally (not to mention various subchannels on network affiliates).
     
  8. MichaelK

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    pax seems to be the only english language broadcast "network" that doesn't have HD on their main x-1 subchannel.

    THe Big 4 do the vast majority of their network programming in HD. Most primetime (survivor is an example of the odd SD only show) is HD. THe morning news programs are moving to HD (the biger 3 might already be?). Most sports are in HD. Latenight (letterman, leno, conan at least) is HD. Even jeopardy and wheel of fortune are in HD.

    CW and My seem to have a decent amount too- but not tons like the big 4.

    I think that the O&O affiliates are working to change their news over to HD also. So from 5pm till 1am you will get HD on some local affiliates.

    Although everythign wont be HD for sure- sure looks like the majority of the most watched programs are already in HD and it's very possible that all of the big 4 main channel network programming will be HD when the plug gets pulled on analog.
     
  9. DDayDawg

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    You have to keep in mind that the government didn't make the push to Digital Broadcasting to help out HD. They did it to get their hands on those frequencies that the TV stations have been hogging all these years.

    This is a happy accident that HD came about at the same time so most broadcasters are just taking this time of change to wrap both together. I think most everything will be capable of broadcasting in HD but it will take a good long time before all the cameras are upgraded and we get to see all HD.
     
  10. MichaelK

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    Good point- the government cares about nothing really but getting to sell the sprctrum freed.

    But what do you mean by "hogging"?


    I was under the impression that the FCC set it up the way it is without adjacent NTSC channels since they would warm each others signlas years ago?
     
  11. Makenup

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    Hello.
    I have a Phillips Direct TV/Tivo series 2 unit.
    I want to upgrade to High Def - but I am so confused.
    I don't want Direct TV's DVR - I want Tivo!
    Soemone suggested that I get a HR10-250 DirecTV with TiVo - but then I read somewhere that it will not work in a year or so when Direct TV changes something over???? Is that true? That's no good! What are my options?
    Do I need to switch to cable to get what I want?
    I am on Long Island NY. How is that cable compared to Direct TV?
    Anyone? Help!!!!!!
    Thanks!
     
  12. MichaelK

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    check out the series3 forum here.

    Series3 tivo's connect to cable using cablecards.

    I assume you have cablevision- there are threads there specific to them.

    You'll get more answers about the speicifcs of cablevision in those forums.

    Be prepared for sticker shock- while the HD DVR's from Directv are heavily subsidized that's not the case with the S3 tivo's. MSRP is 800. Street price from an internet vendor or with a coupon to a big box is maybe a hundred off that if you are lucky.

    You can get an HR10 for a lot less- and it will continue to work with the CURRENT directv lineup. You will be able to get the 4 main NY networks and maybe an occasional yankee or nets game on YES network in HD. You might be able to pick up the PBS and cw(11) and my network (channel 9) stations with an antenna. Likely cablevision carries all the locals plus all the HD RSN's not just sporadic YES network.

    But you'll likley get locked into a 2 year commitment with Directv- so you will be stuck with those current channels for 2 years with no chance of gettign anythign new.
     
  13. Makenup

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    You mean the movie channels on Direct TV are not HD (HBO, Showtime, etc?)
    Sounds like I'll get more with cable!
     
  14. MichaelK

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    SOME of the movie channels CURRENTLY are HD (sorry I wasn't clear- they also have a small package of HD channels like discovery, hd net, espn, etc)

    HBO and Showtime if I recall. No starz or cinemax (which likely are HD on cable).

    If you want the most HD WITH TiVo than cablevision likely will give it to you- you'll probably get everythign Directv currently has plus INHD 1&2 - maybe another couple nation HD channels. Twice the move channels in HD (4 vs 2) and all 3/4 NYC RSN's in HD all the time instead of an occasional HD YES Network on Directv.

    it will cost you though...

    If you are serious about switchign to cable then check the S3 forum and give serious consideration to getting triple play. WIthout Triple play Cable TV seems to be a LOT more then Directv. But if you get the triple play bundle you can get in the ballpark or tv+dsl+phone seperatly.

    In my case- I am pretty lucky- I save about $10 a month by getting triple play form my cable company vs the other way (not inlcuding first year discount) . New cable subs usually can get $50 or more off a month on the first 12 months of the bundle so that will just about pay for a tivo Series3. Cablevision advertises $99 for the bundle if I recall for first 12 months.
     
  15. Makenup

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    Thanks for all of your advise.
    I will have to look into the cable cause I really want to stay with Tivo and the whole point of the upgrade is to have HD. Sounds like cable has much more HD.
    So it sounds like series 3 and cable, just might be the way to go.
    I already have them for my broadband - and if I add the phone - there is my triple play.
    Thanks again!
     

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