Direction of the new Tivo company-a considered perspective

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by imsai, Dec 3, 2016.

  1. chiguy50

    chiguy50 Well-Known Member

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    Oops, sorry! That was probably me. (Damn urinating somnambulism.:rolleyes:)

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  2. schatham

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    Tivo needs to find a way to record streaming services.

    I see no reason Tivo can not make a box that can record streaming services like a vcr. Have an HDMI input that receives the signal from a Roku etc. At that point it's just a signal that is already formatted for the TV to receive. Just intercept this signal and record it. They can figure this out. No special contracts needed from anyone. This would pass any legal challenge just like the vcr did.

    This only gets you one stream recorded in real time, but it's better than nothing.
     
  3. thyname

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    That's totally BS. YOU read his original post. #5 above at 7:42 yesterday. What I quoted. There was nothing there about a white Bolt. Just wrong information on pricing.

    Once you do read his original post, would you come back here and say sorry?
     
  4. Mikeguy

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    Sorry, but, your computer must be showing you different things than mine is showing me: on my computer, driverseven's original post, #5 yesterday and not showing as having been edited, is 5 paragraphs long, and includes the color issue discussion I re-quoted above; you only re-quoted paras. 1, 4 and 5, and excluded the color issue discussion that appeared in para. 3.

    And totally regardless, no need to devolve into personal attack-land for appropriately-expressed personal opinions. Have a good day.

    (Not to belabor matters or mis-spend electrons, but to help you in sussing out your computer, driverseven's original post, post #5 here from yesterday:
    That's the full post #5 as it shows on my computer. And now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming . . . .)
     
  5. Series3Sub

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    Just to annoy you into wasting time from your obviously vacant schedule to respond to me. As for my response: time well spent :). Now, get back on the short bus before it leaves without you.
     
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  6. thyname

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    I love you too!
     
  7. Equals42

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    The remote is RF. It doesn't need to be visible at all. Mine isn't. It's tucked away behind a wooden door.
     
  8. thyname

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    Exactly! Then there are other devices that are white. For example, Xbox One S.
     
  9. Mikeguy

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    Different preferences and different needs for one and all.

    And a new market opening: TiVo Bolt skins. ;)
     
  10. tenthplanet

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    It's a violation of Terms of Service of most pay streaming services, and stream recording is unreliable. The technology to record streams has been around for awhile, and so has more lawyers then you would wish to deal with in one life time.
    Then there is the cloud dvr idea, which may kill the market for stream recorders period.
     
  11. aridon

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    Holy crap, some of your remind me of the fanboi's over on the Palm forum before they went buh-bye. Pretty ridiculous. I guess people are getting testy now that Rovi has screwed up the product.
     
  12. Thom

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    In order for a box to have an HDMI connector, it has to be licensed from the people that control HDMI, and there is a fee per box. The HDMI people are fussy about what they license HDMI inputs for. If the box only does a pass-thru of the HDMI signal, it will be licensed. A box that records an HDMI signal is very unlikely to be licensed. Build a mass-market box with an unlicensed HDMI input and the law will be confiscating your product.
     
  13. alexb

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    Why?

    Why would they want to figure out how to integrate with competing boxes likes fire and roku?
    Why would they want to go to court and fight the fact they would have to violate DMCA to do what you suggest?
    Why would they want to violate their agreements with HDMI / HDCP licensing?
    Why would they want to figure how in the blazes they get guide data to work and drive the UI on said streaming box?
    Why the heck would i want to record streaming content on a tivo when i can watch it on-demand on my tivo / roku / tv apps?

    What they need to do is invest in their portfolio of apps a little, heck deliver on the promise of a decent netlfix and amazon app first.
    What they need to do is shore up their core feature set that is ageing and creaky (Guide data, some more guide data, perhaps guide data and then UI and then apps on devices - the iOS apps is nice but it is way confusing and overloaded).

    and yes to be that guy i am speaking as a product manager who makes these sorts of decisions every day
     
  15. Mikeguy

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    thanks, fixed, http://ir.tivo.com/file/4206196/Index?KeyFile=1500084673 slide 14 'next gen ui' is the one of interest to me.... hopefully we get the one seen in the leaks come to tivo consumer... for virgin in the UK to signup to the tivo for their 4k platform i have to believe it will (but i have been disappointed before)
     
  17. alexb

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    @Mikeguy the hopeful item is "Consumer DVRs Services as Proving Ground for Next Generation MSO products" this shows a commitment to the consumer space as the test bed.... so i think us consumers should be good for a year or two, we may see features before the carriers.... or we may get shafted as plans change.... that might have been a statement tivo put in that the new tivo management team doesn't agree with
     
  18. Mikeguy

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    Thanks for the read--interesting stuff there. I found much positive there, including the absence of a reference to abandon TiVo . . . .
     
  19. Bigg

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    If TiVo doesn't kill off consumer TiVos, the MSOs will. Comcast has moved over to MPEG-4, and while the service still technically works with TiVos, the quality is horrible. In a few years, they will move to IPTV, and TiVos will no longer work with their service. Other MSOs will eventually follow suit. The OTA market is relatively small, although it's wide open for TiVo to exploit. I'm not sure what price they can profitably sell a TiVo Roamio OTA at, but man, it's a slick product. I love mine. It's snappy, small, has a great OTA tuner, it's just a really great box. To me, the Bolt is a useless product. It's butt-ugly, and it doesn't do anything that the Roamio doesn't. I don't consider 4k to be relevant at this point to DVRs except for the HR54, as DirecTV is the only US provider who can actually provide a 4k linear channel. There is a ton of streaming content available, but that's easy to get with FireTV, Roku, or Chromecast Ultra.

    TiVo's business model is based on MSOs deploying their own TiVos, and those MSOs will give TiVo access to their IPTV systems if they want to have TiVo products running on them. A few towns up, there is a massive billboard by the side of the road that is specifically for TiVo, even though it's Atlantic Broadband's billboard, and TiVo's logo and name is bigger and more prominent than ABB's.
     
  20. alexb

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    I have an X1 and TiVo side by side and the MPEG4 is identical on each and irrelevant to the point you are making.

    That said your analysis is pretty sound wrt the other points, only thing i would add is that comcast is the big boy on the block, the other providers are not going to have the deep pockets to invest to compete with the comcast/nbc/universal conglomerate on set top boxes and cloud DVRs. TiVo has an 18 - 24 month window now to capture and OEM to the other MSOs irrespective of whether it uses the tivo branding or not.

    Then we have to look at outside the USA. It seems that there 1m TiVo US subscribers with numbers of between 6m and 23m quoted for total subscribers of TiVo services (the former i believe to be TiVo consumer and MSO boxes like the virgin media one in the UK (oh and note they just announced their nextgen tiovo based 4k box) and the latter to include meta data services, platform as well as boxes) - it is unclear where these fall in the mind of TiVo brass and what their priorities are in any give geography.

    For example they announced in 2015 that Frontier would be using the TiVo cloud DVR platform. I note that Frontier has been rolling out their new platform over the last 6mo here in Kirkland, WA. I am unclear if it was they agreed with TiVo or something else (anyone know?).
     

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