Direct TV Eliminating MPEG2 HD Channels Early 2008

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by boneskrw, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. John Silver

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    I'm not a fool and have never bought anything off ebay. But thanks for ignorantly leaning toward the fool judgment of me. $1,200 for a Weaknees model and about $1,000 for a plane jane from Best Buy. Sorry I wasn't more exact. But put that aside. Lets say I spent $900 each. That's still an unacceptable $50 per month.

    No smoking gun, but lots of people were under the impression they would be upgraded for free since the obsolete announcement was made within the first year. But hey, it could just be my imagination. I do remember a letter from a Directv executive stating as much, but I can't find it now. Here are just a few of the threads discussing the issue:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=238654
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=280502
    http://gear.ign.com/articles/679/679224p1.html
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336352

    But really, if we must document everything said or written as a CYA while doing business with Directv, don't you think there's a problem there? I do and if it will cost me anything to migrate to the 20, I'll take Dish up on their two free hi-def dvr's and try them for ten years at $80/month. I may be disappointed but I will have my dignity.

    Two thousand, divided by 36 months, comes out to $55.55. And I fully expect a $1,000 device to last a hell of a lot longer than three years. (And at $900 each, that's still $50). No matter how you slice it, with a $1,000 device going obsolete in three years, you will have paid an extra $25 per receiver per month for hi-def during its lifespan. I do not believe Directv markets that particular fact and only a shill for the company would dispute it or belittle someone bringing this fact up. I must apologize for answering so harshly but I sometimes get into this mode when the situation warrants it.

    Not upset about the price falling, only when things go obsolete before they are dead.

    If this is true, I have no beef.
     
  2. alaskahill

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    Yep they just came yesterday to "replace" by HR10. the installer ended up not taking the HR10. Fundamentally, I really can't complain here. My HR10 was one of the first batch so I paid the full price. However I got some good use out of it, then got the 19.95 deal to upgrade it (which did include a 1 yr contract extension). I kept the HR10 activated, then I used that same HR10 to get another replacement (this time for free w/ no extension but in theory I had to give the HR10 back which I ended up not having to).
     
  3. JeffZ81

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    When the MPEG-2 HD channels are elminated, will DirecTV transmit the national LA and NY stations in MPEG4?
     
  4. milominderbinder

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    Yes.

    In April, MLB EI and then in August, NFL ST will be MPEG4 HD only. Someday soon the LA and NY locals will be MPEG4 too.

    - Craig
     
  5. milominderbinder

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    About a zillion people here have gotten the upgrade for free. Most between April and September.

    You were here when everyone was getting the free deals. Why didn't you?

    Have you called DIRECTV to see for yourself?

    - Craig
     
  6. milominderbinder

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    I went to the first link and found this from 3 years ago:
    - Craig
     
  7. jfischer

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    I got my HR20 upgrade for free in October. New dish, HR20, kept my HR10-250, and no 2-year contract (at least according to the DirecTV web site, I have no contract).

    I've been a subscriber for 10 years though, which may have helped, I don't know.
     
  8. sjberra

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    Never seen the commitment line on the website, where are you finding it stating that you have no contract? Always had to call in and ask the CSR
     
  9. Mark Lopez

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    Perhaps that's why he thinks he doesn't have one. :) FWIW, I've never seen it listed either.
     
  10. sjberra

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    mine expired 11/30/2007, did not show before or after
     
  11. Jan 4, 2008 #131 of 199
    renlopez

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    Well I still get all the MPEG2 HD channels on my HR10-250 with the exception of HDNM and UHD but that is a different story. So I guess it's official, the retention rep who told me 12/31/07 was lying.

    Now the question is, how much longer will we have the MPEG2 channels?
     
  12. Jan 4, 2008 #132 of 199
    rickmeoff

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    um, was there ever any doubt?

    for them to stop broadcasting mpeg2 hd channels, they would have to notify their remaining customers and advise them of such, in plenty of time so that they could have the opportunity to upgrade to mpeg4 capable equipment.

    whether it be by mail, a message on their current dvr, by phone, smoke signal or pigeon.

    dtv is in business to make money and to do this any other way, would just be plain idiotic.
     
  13. Jan 4, 2008 #133 of 199
    renlopez

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    I started getting that recorded call from DirecTV about 2 months ago. The last one mid December said that this is the 3rd and final notification that the current equipment you are using will not receive the new HD channels and will soon not be able to receive the current HD channels. It was also the 3rd and final offer to upgrade to the new DVR for free.

    To me, 3 calls was sufficient notice. Hasn't everyone gotten these recorded calls?
     
  14. Jan 4, 2008 #134 of 199
    richierich

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    I lost a couple of HD channels a month or so ago and I just called and complained to Customer Retention and they said that a certain package deal had been offered and when it expired and if you hadn't bought the HD package they unplugged you. Well, they unplugged everyone who didn't opt to buy that package so I complained that I was a good customer and should be grandfathered in. She reinstated all of my HD channels including HDNET HDNMovies, channel 95 which I get because of Total Choice Plus, etc. So I now have all of my HD channels that I originally had in the original HD package offered when it first was created.

    The CSR really knew alot more than the normal CSRs you speak to and she said that it would be a long time before they unplugged everyone from MPEG-2 HD channels because they would piss off too many good customers. She said they had plenty of bandwidth so there was no urgency to do so.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2008 #135 of 199
    Mark Lopez

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    Ummm... apparently not.
     
  16. Jan 4, 2008 #136 of 199
    wmldwilly

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    One of my less-than-savvy friends got the call from DTV about 3 weeks ago. He had ignored all the automated "this is not a sales call" calls just like I had. When he got the call around the middle of December this particular rep told him "Your upgrade to our new DVR from your HD Tivo DVR is free because on January 1 all of your HD channels will go black...but you can keep the unit and we'll move it to another room for you if you like."

    That's one tactic I suppose to get people to upgrade! :-D I took the initiative and called in with a liberal helping of "I'm not happy about this and am considering switching to cable over it" and the HR21 was given to me for $19.95 in shipping and handling. Even that's sort of crap because he delivered an open box unit (the internal packages weren't open, just the carton) and after chatting with me for a minute or two just signed the form and handed me the carton and left. I was happy to set it up myself since I had wiring in place already and was basically plopping it in my entertainment rig in place of the R20 (non-dvr) HD receiver and leaving my HR10-250 undisturbed.

    ON a side note - I light television shows for a living, so I would like to think I watch my HD with a more discerning eye. At the very least a very spoiled eye considering at work I watch TV on various $25,000 monitors that are adjusted every morning by a seriously expert level engineer. I have to say I like the look of MPEG2 channels better than the MPEG4 channels I can now see. I watch in 720p on the last version of the Panasonic 37" plasma using the HDMI inputs and what I mainly have noticed is that the MPEG2 channels look a little more deep and rich, almost never evidence breakup and banding in dark gradated areas, and I see less motion smear in MPEG2. This is by no means scientific, just my trained eye's observation.

    I suppose there's no stopping the MPEG2 flood, but I am a little sad that once again we're being "upgraded" to less functionality and less coolness, and to my eye less of the deep rich goregeousness that HD shows like CSI: Vegas or Numb3rs or others.

    Happy New Year,

    WM
     
  17. Jan 5, 2008 #137 of 199
    tivoboy

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    Just had a couple lost on the H10-250. Normally, RARELY we watch the FSN BA (Bay Area) feed for Stanford sports games. But, on Thursday we couldn't get to the game. I checked, and it was on FSNBA, but indeed, nothing was coming in. There wasn't the prompt on the screen that I didn't receive that channel, just nothing.

    Checked on our HR20, and boom there it was. Not SD, not HD but something. I have the feeling that the FSN has moved to MPEG4 already.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2008 #138 of 199
    divedude

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    I check in every once in a while to see what the rumors are. I have been a customer of DirecTV since they started selling service. I have 2 HR10-250's that I have purchased. I got the first one the day it came out. I have not been contacted by DirecTV about upgrades, having my HD turned off or anything. Not by telephone, mail, email or in my bill. And they didn't have a problem sending me a bill for the month of January for HD services.

    If they turn me off without any notice, I won't be back. The least they could do is contact me.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2008 #139 of 199
    Mark Lopez

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    But now, even though you know what's going on, you will still just dump them just because they didn't call you? :rolleyes: Even though it could just be because they have an outdated phone number? BTW, the pnone number you may have listed on their web site under your account is not necessarily the one they have the account listed under in the main system. I had changed it on-line a few years ago but until I called recently, it did not get changed where it counts.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2008 #140 of 199
    shibby191

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    Plus if you told them to put you on their "no call" list at one time then you won't get a call either. ;) And even if they have your email address you need to opt in to receiving emails from them about things like this. They won't spam you unless you ask for it.
     

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