Advertisements I'm not a fool and have never bought anything off ebay. But thanks for ignorantly leaning toward the fool judgment of me. $1,200 for a Weaknees model and about $1,000 for a plane jane from Best Buy. Sorry I wasn't more exact. But put that aside. Lets say I spent $900 each. That's still an unacceptable $50 per month. No smoking gun, but lots of people were under the impression they would be upgraded for free since the obsolete announcement was made within the first year. But hey, it could just be my imagination. I do remember a letter from a Directv executive stating as much, but I can't find it now. Here are just a few of the threads discussing the issue: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=238654 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=280502 http://gear.ign.com/articles/679/679224p1.html http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=336352 But really, if we must document everything said or written as a CYA while doing business with Directv, don't you think there's a problem there? I do and if it will cost me anything to migrate to the 20, I'll take Dish up on their two free hi-def dvr's and try them for ten years at $80/month. I may be disappointed but I will have my dignity. Two thousand, divided by 36 months, comes out to $55.55. And I fully expect a $1,000 device to last a hell of a lot longer than three years. (And at $900 each, that's still $50). No matter how you slice it, with a $1,000 device going obsolete in three years, you will have paid an extra $25 per receiver per month for hi-def during its lifespan. I do not believe Directv markets that particular fact and only a shill for the company would dispute it or belittle someone bringing this fact up. I must apologize for answering so harshly but I sometimes get into this mode when the situation warrants it. Not upset about the price falling, only when things go obsolete before they are dead. If this is true, I have no beef.