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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by magnus, Jan 1, 2008.

When more information is available.... which box would you choose?

  1. DigitalSTREAM D2A1D10/D2A1D20

    10 vote(s)
    9.3%
  2. Zenith DTT900

    45 vote(s)
    42.1%
  3. Magnavox TB100MW9

    10 vote(s)
    9.3%
  4. Philco TB150HH9

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  5. MicroGEM MG2000

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Sansonic FT300RT

    4 vote(s)
    3.7%
  7. MaxMedia MMDTVB03

    2 vote(s)
    1.9%
  8. Apex DT1001

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  9. ECHOSTAR TR-40

    35 vote(s)
    32.7%
  10. AMTC AT-2016

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
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  1. bicker

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    Customer loyalty has substantially dropped in value in the consumer sector, for the past thirty years or so. Customers now almost always make their purchasing decisions based on price, rather than loyalty to a specific supplier. This was one of the reasons I got out of that discipline -- trying to help companies capitalize on customer loyalty, when there simply wasn't anything to capitalize on, was a losing proposition.
     
  2. MighTiVo

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    TiVo never has been the cheapest product, I have only seen them compete on price briefly during a ReplayTV subscription included/not included price comparison period.

    Tivo is one of those sticky products, like Ipod that can hold on to a customer when they provide a positive user experience even though they are not necessarily the cheapest or even the most capable product in the market.

    Unfortunately, this is especially true when more than one TiVo is used at a time since there is still no open MRV standard.
     
  3. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Officially TiVo does not have CECB support at all.
    Unofficially, they do have some IR codes which to a certain degree can change channels on some CECBs.

    Read back in this thread. I believe LG and RCA were some. I could be wrong.

    FWIW, I heard that most of the CECBs work off an LG chip.
     
  4. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    They won't do that. Just it wouldn't work anymore as it was, if you don't proactively do something about you configuration to get an available source your TiVo will work with; take TiVo up on a transfer offer to an ATSC capable unit; or sell your unit so someone that can make use of its available facilities, and make other arrangements for your own ATSC viewing/recording needs.
     
  5. bicker

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    You must have missed the time they supplanted the $799 TiVo S3 with the $299 TiVo HD.

    "Cheap" is relative, and also irrelevant to the message you replied to.

    No it isn't. TiVo isn't profitable. iPod is. They're not in the same league.
     
  6. MrPhilo

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    @Bicker: I see why you have your screenname... :)

    Profit has nothing to do with "product stickiness". Stickiness is how devoted the customers are to a product. I think you are exaggerating the extent that people are devoted customers anymore. Certain industries and locations have lost that, but try selling a Ford to my cousins, who are Chevy boys.

    @classicsat:
    You're right, they won't cut me off - that would take work on their part. I think I was thinking worst case at that point.
     
  7. Adam1115

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    $299 is VERY cheap for the HD, considering what you get. It isn't much more than a standalone ATSC HD tuner. And they can be had for as little as $199.

    My S3 was a bargain at $679.
     
  8. cia_viewer

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    I just got off the phone with TiVo. I have installed TiVo DeskTop on one of my PCs and plugged our TiVo HD into our LAN. I mentioned that I wanted to leave all TiVo updates handled by phone. When it came out that our LAN uses Ethernet Switches. They said 'we do not do Switches, only Routers'. I guess TiVo does not want to be assigned an IP Address, they pick their own (DHCP).

    It seems it would be possible to transfer from TiVo to TiVo with a crossover cable. I have one but it is not long enough. I would also need to buy an USB - EtherNet adapter for our TiVo S2.

    I think maybe this feature is not worth it. Thank you.
     
  9. bicker

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    I disagree. If you're going to refer to controversial concepts, then expect us each to interpret them as we wish.
     
  10. bicker

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    So what you're saying is that folks with S2s shouldn't have any concern about buying a new TiVo HD rather than seeking to use a CECB with their old S2. Yes, I agree.
     
  11. rainbow

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    Is there a new offer out there right now?:confused:
     
  12. rodbac

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    ???

    The term refers to a specific trait of a product- we can debate whether a product is actually "sticky" or not, or to what degree, but that doesn't mean we're free to redefine it to mean whatever strikes our fancy.
     
  13. bicker

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    Actually it does. In reality, stickiness, in this context, actually only means that the product is likely to hold onto a customer regardless of change. It has nothing to do with whether the customer is satisfied by environmental changes or product enhancements or not. It is a form of customer loyalty, which as I already mentioned, is a relic of the past in the consumer marketplace.
     
  14. rodbac

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    Well, not to belabor the tangent, but it's not really a form of customer loyalty, but rather a trait that leads to it. You don't have "sticky" loyalty and non-sticky loyalty- you end up with loyalty due to the product being "sticky".

    Anyway, it may very well be much less common (I don't know), but that's irrelevant to the question of whether a product is "sticky" or not, which in turn is completely independent of whether it's profitable or not.
     
  15. MrPhilo

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    I'm with Rodbac - sticky and profit are not directly linked. If you have a sticky product (and I've been blurring sticky product vs sticky company), you have an easier time being profitable, but it is not automatic - you still have to do well on the business side.

    I'm curious what you consider Apple and its fans. For the record, I think TiVo has a certain stickiness too - before we had one, we were not really interested, but now, we would not enjoy tv without one.
     
  16. bicker

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    I cannot believe folks are comparing Apple and TiVo. <shaking head> I guess we're simply not talking the same language.
     
  17. rodbac

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    Why is it so bewildering that the "stickiness" of a Tivo is comparable to the "stickiness" of an iPod?

    That doesn't require Tivo, Inc. to be as profitable as Apple or anything like that. You're either wildly overthinking it or fundamentally misunderstanding.
     
  18. bicker

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    Or we simply disagree. I think you're totally off-the-wall with your over-confidence in TiVo. That's your prerogative, of course.
     
  19. rodbac

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    Yeah, could be- would we also have to agree to disagree if I said "No, a Tivo is NOT sticky like an iPod because iPods come in white and Tivos don't"?

    ???
     
  20. thorpemark

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    I'm with rodbac and encourage his over-confidence.

    Tivo is better at what it does than Apple is at what it does.

    Apple sells itself better. But you can find Ipod and Iphone like products that work just as well (or better) than the Apple products... especially when you factor in price. This is not true for Tivo. Some come close, but none match.

    Apple sells itself better so that the Apple "people" will insist they have the best of everything. It is the Apple-people's over-confidence that should come under scrutiny.

    ON-TOPIC: We should be able to use these coupons toward ANYTHING that gets you digital broadcast and can display it on an old TV.. TivoHD for example... heck, why not a new TV.. also solves the issue.
     

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