Diehard Tivo user - effect of HD price

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ariel817, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. ChuckyBox

    ChuckyBox New Member

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    Which is what, three million people? How many of these things do you think TiVo intends to sell at this price? If they hit 50K this year, Tom Rogers will be dancing in the street.

    No disagreement on any of that (except the part about the OP). TiVo has not made a big marketing push with the S3 yet, preferring to allow the TiVo faithful to fight the cablecard battle with the MSOs and work out the bugs. And their existing customer base is going to continue to be a good source of customers as time wears on and the price drops. But for now, the target market is people who don't mind spending money on top quality AV products, and TCF just isn't representative of that group.
     
  2. stellablue19

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    Nope. That was their original requirement but they changed the rules shortly after announcing the offer. You can buy the TiVo anywhere and still get the deal - but you do have to purchase it by Dec. 31.
     
  3. Ariel817

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    And if I end up buying one after all, does that change the perception of my status as target or not target market?

    I may pick and choose carefully on where I spend my entertainment dollars, but I wouldn't hesitate to purchase the Tivo if I thought it was good bang for the buck. Or at least decent bang for the buck. Just because I'm careful, and tend to be a saver by nature, doesn't mean I don't have the means with the proper motivation.

    Here's what I figure --

    I can rent a dvr from cable. Or I can plunk down x amount of money for Tivo. The value of x is my perceived value of having a Tivo over a dvr.

    After a couple days with Time Warner's dvr, the value of x is increasing (and knowing that x can be as potentially low as 650 helps a lot, too) -- which is really what I expected (that I wouldn't like the dvr as much as Tivo)... I was surprised by the features it seems to have -- first run only options, series recording, prioritization of series, etc....

    But, it's about braindead slow, and you have to turn it OFF to set some options (like change the CC options).... huh? That makes no sense -- just cause you want to watch something with CC on/off, you should power down and potentially interrupt up to 2 recordings?

    So, anyway.... I still think Tivo didn't calculate in the impact on potential market that didn't have HDTVs yet, or the impact of not being able to offer the full feature set, or even being able to identify when/if/ever they can or will... even with all that, I may still have one by year end.. heck maybe even by month end, if I get much more frustrated with the Motorola. Or maybe they did, and they knew that those of us who have had the best would never settle for second rate.
     
  4. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    I did the exact same up until I picked up my first S3.

    It really is not a bad work around so long as Dish or whoever has your lineup ;). The improvement over SD from the cable co is flat out amazing. It makes you wonder why it looks as bad as it does from cable.

    I've compared that setup to the S3 and while the S3 does look better, I bet many 'common folk' wouldn't know the difference.'

    I bought a S3 on zero day and I paid the early adoptor penalty in more than one way (lucky 200 here). I used the S3 for off-air only at first which it did a heck of a job at. I was able to watch / record roughly twice the channels I could get with the Voom/S2 setup.

    Not long after setting up the S3 I switched cable providers to one that I 'could' get cablecards from and now I'm up and running with Cox cable.

    I don't regret picking up the S3 one bit.
     
  5. Fraser+Dief

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    O RLY? Then I guess I'll hook up one tonight and watch it attempt to change the channels on my cable box all night long. Or perhaps the S3 has a cool feature I was unaware of, like telephoning a temp agency for me, and hiring someone to break into my house and change the channel on the cable box.

    I'm "factually incorrect", when you're the one who thinks that the S3 can do the same job as an S2? Here's a hint, the original poster had a cable box, and wanted MRV. Gosh, the S3 will really serve her well then, right? :rolleyes:

    The number of people that have one? What, all 5,000 of them? You make it sound like millions are being sold.

    The freakin' S2 is a fringe product that isn't even popular enough to be profitable. And the S3 is tens of times even more of a fringe product, a negligible drop in the bucket of installed homes. This thread is full of folks who think the S3 isn't worth the extra bucks. And that's just among tivo fans, predisposed to ignoring the insane price differences. The number of people *not* buying the S3 because of it's price dwarfs the number buying it.

    You can try and blow that off by saying "Oh, you're not part of the target market", but that doesn't mean that there aren't severe issues. Your attitude is like members of the Jai Alai club of America thinking that surely it must be the most popular sport in America, since everyone they know loves Jai Alai.

    The S3 target market is so small as to likely be economically unviable. Smaaaaart.

    I think it's pretty damn clear who has the clue here, thank you very much.
     
  6. ChuckyBox

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    Why would it? If a penguin walks into Best Buy and picks up a Playstation 3, does that make him part of Sony's target market?

    Look, you obviously don't like the price. That is clear. But doesn't make the price wrong or bad, it just means you don't like it. You are going to have to live with the fact that TiVo didn't take you into consideration when they priced their new box. That doesn't make them wrong or bad, and it doesn't mean they don't want you as a customer, it just means they think they can get a better return by marketing this particular product this particular way.

    You also, obviously, want an S3. So your options are to buy one now and live with the cost, or wait until the price comes down (but, in the meantime, lose your option to transfer your lifetime service), or to never get one. Just pick one.
     
  7. ChuckyBox

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    That's true. Hint: it isn't you.
     
  8. jimmymac

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    Even if the Series 3 were a lot cheaper, I'd still be hesitating on buying one right now.

    Personally, I don't think there's a whole lot of stuff in HD worth recording right now. I'd have to see a big jump in the number of HD channels I get and would watch before I'd even consider upgrading to a Series 3.

    I've been making due with a Comast box and one of my 2 Tivo's.
     
  9. DCIFRTHS

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    If we are going to state prices, let's be accurate... the S3 is $800.00 dollars - not $1000.00.

    The $1000.00 price includes a transfer fee of $200.00 for lifetime service from a box you already own, and is subscribed to lifetime service . You don't need lifetime service for the S3 to function. With discounts, the S3 can be bought for $680.00. Of course there is an additional monthly fee that ranges from $6.95 to $19.95, that is based on your current TiVo ownership status, so for some, the service fee is easy to swallow, and for others, not so easy.

    I say "Live and let live", and if the S3 is not for you, then that is cool. But... as I stated above, let's try to be accurate with the information we post publicly.
     
  10. DCIFRTHS

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    Do we know how many are being sold? All of these numbers that are being thrown around are all speculation at this point. Correct?
     
  11. DCIFRTHS

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    I must be in a good market for HD :) I get a lot of HD material with Cablevision, and replacing the Scientific Atlanta box is a huge bonus for me.
     
  12. ah30k

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    Wow, its fun reading this thread!

    Regarding HD content being available... I get lots of HD in my Comcast area and really enjoy watching all of the prime time dramas and comedies in HD. The special programs from DiscoveryHD and music concerts in HD (the Dave Mathews Band, Alicia Keys and Breckenridge concerts were awesome in HD) are a sweet bonus over prime time stuff.

    ChuckyBox must be ready to blow an artery by now:)
     
  13. GoHokies!

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    Instead of screaming into the thread with the personal insults, I suggest that you do a little bit of researching into what the facts are. Yes, the S3 won't change the channels on your Cable box. Down here in America (where the OP is located), we have these nifty things called "cable cards", I suggest that you read up on them and find yourself a clue.

    True, MRV isn't enabled yet. Since the OP isn't likely to have multiple HDTV laying around, that really isn't too big an issue (leave the S2 hooked up to the HDTV with the S3, and use that to handle your MRV needs for only 6 bucks more a month).

    It'll be great when the sales figures come out, but since we haven't seen a price drop, and I haven't seen stacks of S3's sitting on any store shelves, I would guess that Tivo is pretty satisfied with the sales to date.

    I think that Chucky hit the nail on the head. Care to come back and embarass yourself some more?
     
  14. CTLesq

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    Arguing on the internet about TiVo......

    Wow. I am glad this is our biggest problem.

    Normally I would stay out of this nonsense. But the discussion of economics vs. wanting or not wanting this product is highly entertaining.

    Look, I have coffee and a breakfast bar, please by all means keep the bloodsport up. My work is already more or less done for the day. I can do any document reviews I need to while monitoring this thread.

    Keep me laughing.

    CTL
     
  15. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

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    I'm kinda dissapointed, I was looking forward to this speeding my day along at work.

    I probably could have been a little less insulting, but I simply presented an alternative that maybe the OP didn't think about, to which he very politely responded to. Pretty entertaining discussion, and you're right - isn't life great when we have the luxery of (and freedom to) debating over something like this?

    No reason at all for our friend from the North to come in acting like a comeplete a-hole.... :rolleyes:
     
  16. ChuckyBox

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    I'm pretty happy with the HD content I'm getting, but what channel gives you concerts in HD?

    Chucky is okay. He relieves stress by snapping the necks of morons, trolls, and other miscreants.
     
  17. b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    i think if i ever got a nice HDTv i'd just get the cable DVR that will do HD, and use that only for the HD content.
     
  18. TAsunder

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    How much is it in your area? Here I'm not even sure if it exists, and the DVR + HD service is over $30/month.
     
  19. b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    here it's $10 a month for DVR, and i think that comes with the HD in it. otherwise it's $5 for just the HD box.
     
  20. Deacon West

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    Chucky check here www.inhd.com/press/pressDetail.jsp?pressId=57. I think they meant the channel inHD, not in HD.
     

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