Diehard Tivo user - effect of HD price

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ariel817, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. Ariel817

    Ariel817 New Member

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    I just want to insert a little reminder that I'm not "mad" at Tivo for their pricing.. they have every right to set whatever price they think maximizes their profit, and I want Tivo to succeed as a company! I, on the other hand, have every right to decide whether or not to purchase at that price point....

    But, most of all, I thought it would be beneficial to have the feedback from the non-purchasing portion of Tivo's customer base, so they know what went into our decision making process.
     
  2. Ariel817

    Ariel817 New Member

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    Hah, yes... definitely, Tivo is definitely more the cadillac than the pontiac!

    And the timewarner dvr as toyota might be a bit of an insult to toyota... maybe it's more a Hyundai. :)
     
  3. NetJunkie

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    Two things:

    1. Some Time Warner HD DVRs are not bad. The 8300HD running the PassPort OS are usable. They aren't a Tivo, but they have most of the kinks worked out.

    2. If you have an 8300HD running the Sara OS like we do in the place I just moved you'll be buying an S3 within 90 days, I guarantee it.

    Either way, it will hold you over until the S3 drops in price. It was well worth it for me over the buggy 8300HD. Plus, the video quality on the S3 is better than the TW DVR. Once you get out of the WOW phase of your new setup you will appreciate that.

    I just hope you don't record something that gets run a lot in syndication. Those DVRs have no concept of "only record an episode once". I had to stop recording South Park. I'd have 10 of the same episode.
     
  4. ChuckyBox

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    You are like a dog with a bone on this idea. You are not the target market for the S3. Here's how I know: you drive a Pontiac and camped out to get a $1000 TV. There is a large pool of potential customers that spend more than $1000 on their speaker cables, and more on their speakers than you spent on your car, and for whom multiple $5K and $10K TVs aren't a significant budget concern. That's the market. You aren't in it.

    See?

    Because cable companies want to keep control of their customers. Allowing outside DVRs on their systems admits the possibility that those customers may be given alternate choices in the entertainment they consume, so the MSOs are doing everything in their power to prevent that.
     
  5. CTLesq

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    Dear God. Some people don't have a problem pay 1K for the TiVo Series 3 others do - for whatever reason.

    Who cares? This is what a free economy allows.

    I may choose to spend my 1K on strippers and blow and someone would prefer to donate that money to Habitat for Humanity and someone else might want a Series 3!

    This poster was just listing the reasons an S3 wasn't for him. If the only reason was because he didn't like the color - bravo!

    I paid, when all said and done, close to $1300 and I couldn't be happier. But I had the money and I values the TiVo over other uses for my $1300. I get to do that because it is my money!

    CTL
     
  6. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

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    I am really surprised that Tivo is marketing this to that large market of people who buy multiple $5k and $10k TVs. No wonder I'm confused.

    I drive an Audi, have a $2000 HD set, along with 7.1 receiver, XBOX360, and lots of other expensive, high quality items. I didn't camp out for any of them. I did research them to buy the best for my needs. (Not enough on the Audi - POS.) I assumed they'd be interested in me as a consumer also. I am such an idiot. :)

    It seems to me (the admitted idiot) that you are the one stuck here. Ariel817 is just offering an opinion. It may be off base for you, but that doesn't invalidate it. I am confused what inside information you have that makes your opinion more valuable or factual (since you seem to have the inside scoop on who Tivo intended to market the S3 to).

    Having said that, I 100% agree with your opinion on the cable card issue and why it is an issue.
     
  7. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

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    That was what I was trying to say (except that I have chosen to wait on the S3). You said it better. :)

    It seems to me that sometimes people see a different opinion as threatening. Perhaps calling into question the choice someone else has already made. But that is just my opinion, which isn't worth more than anyone else's on what is going on. :eek:
     
  8. GoHokies!

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    Even all of this stuff makes you right in the heart of the HD market, not the "high end" that Tivo has repeatedly said they have targeted with the S3. No inside information, just a little bit of paying attention...
     
  9. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

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    Then I guess I think the size of the pool might have been over stated. I don't think there is a huge pool of people spending more than $20k on their entertainment centers. Perhaps enough to keep up with Tivos ability to produce S3s short term though. They are still selling them as fast as they make them as far as I can tell, so the price point isn't too high from that stand point.

    It makes sense to me to wait for resolution to the outstanding issues with the S3 and see what Comcast comes up with. The nice thing about having a solution that works from Comcast is I can dump it anytime I have a better option (for me) with out penalty. The only thing that I will lose is the one time lifetime transfer and that's just money. :)

    Now it does seem like I am in the minority of cable DVR renters that have a solution that isn't garbage. If my cable DVR were less capable I wouldn't think twice about buying the S3.
     
  10. JPA2825

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    But don't you have to buy the S3 directly from TiVo at MSRP to do the Lifetime Transfer before 12.31.06 deal?
     
  11. kido

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    no. i bought mine at TCS for $680 and TiVo transferred lifetime from my S2 with no problems at all.
     
  12. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy!

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    They didn't end up requiring the purchase be from Tivo directly. Even the verbiage of the offer has changed (I think).
     
  13. samo

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    Bull. The target market you described is $500K+ /year income AND nuts about technology. That would be less than 1% of population. I would venture to say that absolute majority of people who already bought S3 are not in this group. OP is a typical potential S3 buyer. Just read S3 forum. People who brag about saving on cable sub cost by going OTA with S3 do not have "multiple $5K and $10K TVs".
    That is the best description of actual target market for S3.
     
  14. TAsunder

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

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    I just bought an S3, will pick it up this weekend. I'm not shelling out $800 up front. It's more like $50/month for 18 months. Consider yourself lucky to only pay $13/month for HD DVR from your cable provider. I don't think we even have HD DVR as an option here (Madison, WI) but if we do, it's probably at least $40/month since an HD tuner requires HD Service ($3/month for locals + $7/month for the HD tier, which is required) and the regular DVR is $20/month with a 6 month waiting list. For me the cable option is a no-go. It's S3 or nothing. Ultimately I chose S3.
     
  15. billyecho

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    I am caught with 1 foot in the digital era and 1 foot back in the analog era. My setup consists of a 50 inch HDTV, Voom/Motorola box for off air reception and S2 TiVo with lifetime. After Voom went dark I switched to cable with a Moxi HD DVR. There were too many problems with Moxi. I was ready to roll back to a non-DVR HD STB until customer service informed me I would be charged a "change of service fee." I was fed up and canceled my cable TV subscription. That's how I got to where I am today. I couldn't be happier with free over the air programming. I've set up my season passes on TiVo so I won't miss an episode but much of the time I watch it live in HD. I've got a fixed display and TiVo's recordings from the DT broadcasts look just as good as digital cable did. And now I'm enjoying a new hobby-international travel. :)
     
  16. jmoak

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    One should never underestimate the drawing power of The Virgil Mary sammich.

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  17. Deacon West

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    Definately not. See the other multiple posts including the one from Pony on the subject. Buy your S3 from any legitimate (and maybe even some illegitimate) outlet and call the VIP line (or probably any other TiVo customer service number) and tell them you want to transfer your lifetime from X old TiVo to Y new S3. Have your credit card handy for the $199 transfer fee unless your old TiVo was activated pre Jan. 2000 (again, check numerous other threads) in which case the one time transfer of service will be free.
     
  18. jmace57

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    Just a bit in support of Ariel here. I have bought 6 or 7 Series 2's over the years, but FOR ME, the S3 is a bit out of reach. I think LordRichter said it just right - the target market is whoever will pay the asking price. For me, I'll wait.

    I had the Mot 8300HD since Jan 1, and returned it last weekend. What a miserable interface. The capabilities (dual tuners, HDMI interface, etc) were nice, but I have never run across a more miserable remote control or interface. If TWC (converting to Comcast here in Houston later this year) can get the TiVo software in 2Q or 3Q of this year, that's the way I'll jump.

    Jim
     
  19. ChuckyBox

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    No inside information. TiVo has been quite clear about this market in presentations to the investment community. Those presentations have been webcast to the public, and the presentation materials have been made available on the TiVo web site. The TiVo quarterly results calls are also open to the public (there is one tomorrow if you have any interest), and transcripts are usually available within a day or so online.

    So the thing that makes my "opinion" more valuable is that it is informed by fact. Imagine that.
     
  20. ChuckyBox

    ChuckyBox New Member

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    Do you have any actual information on the size of this market or should TiVo spend millions of dollars on product development and marketing based on what you "think?"

    Nor, perhaps, for them to make some money on the box. Early on, TiVo made the mistake of trying to mass market an expensive product that no one understood. They seem to have learned something from that experience, because this time they are targeting an expensive product at a very focused market that understands it (while marketing a cheaper product at a broad market that maybe, just maybe, is starting to understand it).
     

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