Did we say late 2010? We meant early 2011.

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I've heard the hardware will be supplied by Thompson, does that specifically mean the HR22? As long as it has the tivo software and remote, I really don't care what the box looks like.

 

Possibly. There are several manufacturers of the HR22 HD DVR. The HR22-100 is built by Thomson Electronics.

 

You'd think TiVo would've learnt their lessons from Comcast. What is that? 4 years?

 

On Saturday I was at the Consumer Electronics Show, in Las Vegas, and went to the TiVo meeting room to ask about the DirecTV TiVo unit rumored for the last few years.

Each year I go along (since I live in Las Vegas) and ask TiVo the same question: "when with the DirecTV Hd TiVo unite be released". This year I got a different answer. Apparently, TiVo have done all the work and have submitted it to DirecTV, so it is now down to DirecTV.

Each time I call DirecTV for anything what-so-ever I am asked if there is 'anything else that they can help me with'. Each time I ask about the DirecTV HD TiVo unit and each time I am told that there is no information on it.

We need to keep asking DirecTV for information on this.

 

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If Tivo's work is complete, how long can DirecTV delay it. Sometime this year.

 

TiVo has it in Beta test according to various reports, so I am not sure that it is fully "complete". I would hope that it was presented to DTV for evaluation even before it went into beta test.

 

Maybe the beta test is the direct tv evaluation.

 

My belief is that DirectTV and Comcast are waiting for the outcome of the legal suit against DISH/Echostar . . . and this is what I think will happen . . . if the outcome is favorable to TiVo, they will become serious about releasing the DirectTV TiVo and Comcast TiVo . . . and if DISH wins they will dump the pending TiVo boxes are leave them as "coming soon" indefinitely. Comcast and DirectTV are not taking TiVo seriously right now but they will take them seriously if TiVo wins the lawsuit. Only time will tell . . .

 

Can you explain your logic on this one? How does Tivo's lawsuit with Dish affect Comcast or Directv? Even if Dish manages to get a workaround approved as noninfringing, Comcast and Directv do not have that workaround. Comcast and Directv DVR's are not identical to Dish DVR's. So even if by some miracle the Dish DVR's were found noninfringing as is, it still doesn't make the Comcast or Directv DVR's noninfringing.

 

It is based on the fact that it has taken years to roll out both the new “DirecTV TiVo” and the “Comcast cable box with TiVo”. It’s obvious that DirecTV and Comcast have the resources to release an excellent TiVo product but they have not released anything. I think that they agreed to work with TiVo to avoid being sued by TiVo. Then, they drag their feet to release the boxes/upgrades for years to avoid TiVo from gaining any new customers from these agreements. They make it sound like they are working with TiVo but it’s just a tactic to avoid being sued by TiVo and by not releasing the products, it keeps TiVo from profiting off their customers.

If TiVo loses the appeal with DISH, both Comcast and DirecTV will drag their feet even longer to release these boxes/upgrades. If TiVo wins the appeal with DISH, then I believe that TiVo will FINALLY have the leverage it needs against DirecTV, Comcast, AT&T and Verizon and all these companies will take TiVo more seriously and will work on REAL agreements that actually produce a final product that can be used. The agreements with DirecTV and Comcast were made a number of years ago and still nothing has been released except for a few areas in New England (Comcast).

The only companies that are actually working with TiVo to produce products that can be used by their customers are the small cable companies (RCN and Suddenlink) because they don’t have the resources to produce their own cable boxes that have all the bells and whistles that people want these days in their cable boxes.

 

DIRECTV & TiVo have a no-litigation agreement in place. Part of this agreement allows for TiVo to product the DIRECTV TiVo. DIRECTV is responsible for Selling/Marketing the DIRECTV TiVo when it is ready. Since it is not yet being sold or marketed one can only assume that it is not yet ready.

I'm not sure how DIRECTV is "dragging their feet" .. It seems like DIRECTV is waiting on TiVo just as everyone else it. I do agree that DIRECTV doesn't really have a compelling reason to push TiVo to go faster .. but it also doesn't make sense to slow them down. A TiVo sale is still a subscription for DIRECTV. Win-Win.

With the no-litigation agreement in place (thru 2018), the DISH/TiVo litigation should have absolutely no bearing on the DIRECTV/TiVo relationship.

 

That's been all but confirmed. The HR2x is the slowest box D* has, too.

The guys in the dbstalk forum are starting to leak more info., which tells me the box is almost ready for release.

It's going to be nothing more than an HR10-250 with MPEG4 support. It won't have an ATSC tuner, MRV support, or Youtube/Netflix/Amazon/whatever video streaming support. I don't know if it will support D*'s VOD or the AM21 external ATSC tuner, but I think it would.

No one seems to know what the pricing will be, but it expected to cost more than an HR2x.

 

Care to share a link?

 

Which part of the new DirecTivo is waiting on Directv? My impression was Tivo was going to write all the software themselves. It seems very unlikely that Directv engineers are working on Tivo's code. I suspect that the wait is entirely because of design and manpower issues within Tivo itself.

 

I might be confused...but what other production box does DirecTv have available besides the HR2x?

 

Here is the Q1 2011 thread: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=188103

 

The HR24 is a somewhat newer platform than the HR20/21/22/23 boxes. Of course, the HR24 wasn't available when Tivo started this work a few years back.

 

Current rumors suggest that Tivo has released the "final" product to DirecTV for final QA testing. This should mean that it will be available in a few more months. So perhaps it is indeed in DirecTV's hands now.

 

Yep, I know that. Just wondering what mythical piece of hardware the poster was talking about. An HR24 is still in the HR2x family.

 

The poster was being confusing by calling everything a HR2x. He really meant HR24 vs. HR2(0,1,2,3)

The current rumor is that the Tivo will be based on the HR22.