Did anyone receive the "Advisory Panel's" Roamio offer?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Ziggie, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Loach

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    Because you're on FIOS you already had MoCA - the Actiontec router is serving as the bridge from Ethernet to Coax.

    Those who don't have FIOS need a device to serve as the bridge from Ethernet to Coax. A Roamio Pro/Plus or 4-tuner Premiere can serve as that bridge IF it's in a location where BOTH ethernet and coax can be connected to it. If not, then a MoCA adapter is needed in a location where it can connect to the router AND coax to establish the MoCA bridge.

    Edit: For example, I'm on Cox. Neither my Roamio Pro nor my Premiere 4 is near an ethernet connection. Therefore, I cannot use them to create the MoCA network. Instead, I have a MoCA adapter in my furnace room, where it is connected to both coax and an ethernet switch to establish the MoCA network.
     
  2. Ziggie

    Ziggie TiVo Since 2003

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    Great! Enjoy! :up:
     
  3. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    I see. That makes sense.
     
  4. L David Matheny

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    You have CAT5e (or whatever) Ethernet cable run to various locations in your local network, and you also have a network of coaxial cables (connected through splitters) running to your video equipment. MoCA provides a way of using the coaxial cables as an alternative way of making Ethernet connections to extend your network.

    To make the video network part of your LAN, you need to cross-connect or "bridge" the two networks at one and only one place. TiVo (and others) sell standalone MoCA adapters that can do the bridging, and other equipment can have MoCA bridge capability built in (some Actiontec routers, FiOS interfaces, Roamio Plus, Roamio Pro, etc). You can have many MoCA clients being supplied by the coaxial part of your network, but you want exactly one box to bridge that coaxial network to your CAT5 network. (Actually, you can bridge again to supply an otherwise isolated segment of LAN from the MoCA part of your network, but let's ignore that for now.)

    A point-of-entry filter should be placed where it will keep your MoCA network signals from leaking out of your premises and feeding the rest of your cable node (or your antenna).
     
  5. Tivo II Jack

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    OK, I thought this was the solution. I have been using computers for over 20 years and building my own systems for over 7. I have been using Tivo for 16 years and bought two series 2 units and two series 3 units with low capacity and then installed maximum capacity hard drives in all four, but this seems to be out of my grasp.

    Right now I have the Roamio Pro and two series 3 Tivos in place and all are working just fine. I just connected an Ethernet cable from my router to the back of a series 3 Tivo because it is located close enough to the router. That should have filled the bill for having “exactly one box to bridge that coaxial network to your CAT5 network.”

    I tried connecting the RoPro to Tivo service and failed. I then thought the series 3 had to be On, so I turned it on and failed again. Next I went to connect the series 3 to Tivo service. It told me it detected an Ethernet connection and asked if it should use it. YES…no.

    As far connecting to the Tivo service, my series 1 and both S2’s were reasonably fast in connecting and downloading. Both Series 3's have always been devastatingly slow to do that. It has been at least 10 or 15 minutes since I started the connect and I am still looking at the spinning yin yang ball and (Preparing…)

    OK, it went pretty quick from there to (Loading…) and is now at 6%. This Ethernet connection does NOT seem fast to me. There can be another problem. My tuning adaptor is still in the game. When this download completes I will add a splitter and remove it from the circuit. BTW, I looked at the moca adaptors and I am not about to spend $70 when my RoPro has it built in.

    I think my brain just exploded. What is this about?

    Download still at 86%.
     
  6. L David Matheny

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    The Series 3 TiVo needs to be connected to Ethernet so that it can connect to TiVo's servers, but it doesn't fill the bill for bridging to MoCA because it doesn't have any MoCA capability built in. Apparently the only device you have that is capable of bridging MoCA to CAT5 is the Roamio Pro (unless I missed something). And it doesn't just get connected for MoCA setup; it has to stay connected so network traffic can cross over between the CAT5 side and the coaxial side of the network. If you disconnect the CAT5 cable from the RoPro, then you have un-created the MoCA network. Again, a Series 3 TiVo can't act as a MoCA bridge; in fact, it can't even act as a MoCA client.
     
  7. Tivo II Jack

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    OK, thanks for sticking with me here, I think I am now good to go. I am going to have to move the RoPro to where the now connected S3 is but I will be recording for the next few hours and will do that later.

    I mistook your earlier comment, "To make the video network part of your LAN, you need to cross-connect or "bridge" the two networks at one and only one place." to mean that anything connected via CAT5 cable and coaxial at the same time would create the bridge.


    Correct, you didn't miss a thing.

    Understood, I got that mis-impression from something I read elsewhere.

    Just curious, once I move and connect the RoPro to the CAT5, will my S2 units be ethernet enabled via the coaxial connection or would they still need moca capability?
     
  8. wtherrell

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    The s2's don't have Moca so you are going to need a Moca adapter. Coax into the adapter. ETHERNET cables from there to S2's. Use a multi port bridge connected to the adapter & you can plug both s2's into it via ethernet cables.

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  9. wtherrell

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    Looks like Channelmaster makes a Moca adapter with 4 ethernet ports. Wouldn't need a separate bridge. Neat. Amazon, about $65. You should get 5-6 times faster speeds than with the wifi set-up.

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  10. waynomo

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    Don't confuse downloading with loading. Loading is what happens after everything has been downloaded and the TiVo is no longer connected. I think of it as installing what it has downloaded. This can take sometime depending what it downloaded when it made the connection. It took almost an hour the other night on my TiVoHD.
     
  11. ncfoster

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    MoCA is a relatively new development. If the box is not a Roamio Plus, Roamio Pro, Premiere 4, Premiere XL4 or Mini (I think that covers them all), it doesn't know what MoCA is. It will look at the coaxial connection as just a cable connection, and anything related to MoCA will be ignored. So, no, the S2 boxes will not get Ethernet over the coax, unless you use separate MoCA adapters for each one.
     
  12. Tivo II Jack

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    Time to stick the old fork in me here. Mainly because of logistics, it took me over an hour to move the Roamio Pro to where it could be connected to my ethernet cable.

    Right now the RoPro is connected to CAT5, connected to coaxial, USB connected to Tuning Adaptor and coaxial splitter bypassing the TA and direct into the RoPro. An attempt to connect to Tivo failed again.

    Now I have just tried to connect again and don't know what is going on. On the Network Connections Page it is showing that my attempt to connect at 11:21PM succeeded and on the right it shows Network Connection Type: Ethernet and Moca.

    I started this note at about 11:35PM and it is now 12:22AM. I did another connect to Tivo and it went without a problem so all is good with Moca now but what I have been doing for the past 45 minutes has raised more questions.

    I understand that only the Roamio can create the bridge and that is now in place. I thought my other devices such as the series 3 would now be able to use the coaxial cable via that bridge but that doesn't seem to be the case. I removed the wireless USB (that looks like a flip phone) and the series 3 had no connection.

    Now it appears that all these connections do NOTHING for any device except the RoPro. If that js so, why even bother with moca and just use the CAT5 which I am told is faster.

    I also started a transfer of a show from a series 3 to the RoPro and watching the progress, I don't see any increase in speed.
     
  13. Tivo II Jack

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    I didn't see your note until I submitted my last note which was over an hour and a half in the making. This question is pretty much what I asked at the very end of that note.

    In order to use MoCA, my Roamio Pro must be connected with an ethernet cable. Earlier in this string, someone said that straight ethernet was much faster than MoCA. If that is so and MoCA does not allow me to connect any other devices, why am I even using MoCA instead of the faster ethernet?
     
  14. Tivo II Jack

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    Didn't see this one either. At the end, after Tivo disconnects, yes, the Tivo shows (Loading...). Are you saying that when the (Loading...) is completed, all that had been downloaded is now in place and accessible?

    At times after a download, looking to the very end of my To Do list will show me up to a certain day and time, usually 6:30 PM. If I look again and hour or two later I will see another 24 hours or so accessible in the To Do list.

    What you say sounds 100% logical, but I think there may be more to it. When loading is complete, is it possible all available program data is accessible in the Record by Time page but now Tivo is busy matching the new program data up with your season passes?
     
  15. weldon

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    You've got the first part right. The Roamio creates a bridge between your Internet connection (on ethernet) and the MoCA network on coax. The part you're still confused on is that the other devices (Series 3, etc.) don't do MoCA. They see the coax as just a cable TV feed and aren't looking for network signals on that connection.
    There is absolutely no reason to bother with MoCA if you have ethernet connections available. MoCA was created as an easy way to use your existing coax cabling to create a network connection between devices where ethernet is not available. Of course, all of the devices connected by coax must support MoCA if they are to pass data signals along the coax. If you have ethernet, you do not want to use MoCA.
     
  16. waynomo

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    Hmmmm, I don't know. Sounds reasonable. The season pass info doesn't take all that long to compute is my experience.
     
  17. ncfoster

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    Sorry that you didn't see it earlier if it would have saved you some pain. I think the answer is that in your case, using MoCA is probably not beneficial. I do not use it, since my house is already well-wired for gigabit Ethernet (and my old-school 2-tuner Premiere doesn't do MoCA either).

    I could see, however, where most people who did what I did (got a new Roamio Pro and a Mini at the same time), would want to go this route because they lacked Ethernet options. Maybe you will find a use for MoCA in the future (if this experience hasn't turned it into a curse word in your house).
     
  18. Tivo II Jack

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    The Mini never even entered my mind because I don't have any need for one. My only problem now is that the Roamio appears to always use the MoCA to connect and/or transfer. I just tried to change the settings but couldn't. How can I change the network settings to have it use only the ethernet connection?
     
  19. ncfoster

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    I am not sure exactly what the setting is called, but go into Settings & Messages > Settings > Network > Change network settings, and see what is there. Mine reads:

    Modify Ethernet settings
    Connect using MoCA
    Connect using wireless
    Use this DVR to create a MoCA network

    I suspect that if you are currently setup to use MoCA, the first option is probably "Connect using Ethernet" if you are currently set to MoCA, but I can't say for sure. :)
     
  20. Tivo II Jack

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    That makes perfect sense and that is what I see. Since I have both Moca and ethernet available, the Roamio uses the best one, ethernet. It is giving me the choice of opting to use Moca. If I were already using Moca that second line would read Connect Using Ethernet.

    Also, the first line asks if I want to modify ethernet settings because that is the connection I am using,

    Looks like I am good to go, thanks all for the help.
     

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